Post flop play - How do you play it and why ?

[Chipaccrual]

$200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (400/800) - 2009/03/22 20:05:05 WET [2009/03/22 16:05:05 ET]
Table "147627575 342" 9-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 1: Telefonkiosk (13040 in chips)
Seat 2: riksanchez (13045 in chips)
Seat 3: ante_geia_AA (14889 in chips)
Seat 4: Big4390 (20250 in chips)
Seat 5: StefUGA (71021 in chips)
Seat 6: KidPokerJD (35026 in chips)
Seat 7: moie66 (29898 in chips)
Seat 8: Chipaccrual (22479 in chips)
Seat 9: PudelLvr (29030 in chips)

Telefonkiosk: posts the ante 50
riksanchez: posts the ante 50
ante_geia_AA: posts the ante 50
Big4390: posts the ante 50
StefUGA: posts the ante 50
KidPokerJD: posts the ante 50
moie66: posts the ante 50
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 50
PudelLvr: posts the ante 50
moie66: posts small blind 400
Chipaccrual: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [ ]

PudelLvr: folds
Telefonkiosk: folds
riksanchez: folds
ante_geia_AA: folds
Big4390: raises 1200 to 2000
StefUGA: folds
KidPokerJD: folds
moie66: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 1200

*** FLOP *** [  ::]


So, how do you play this now and why ?

[AMRN]

what reads do you have on the raiser?  is he likely to c-bet?  If yes, I check-raise all in.  This is a massive flop, but so dangerous....  happy to take it down without seeing a turn card.... another spade leaves you playing a tough spot out of position.   If he checks behind, I"m betting the pot if the turn is any non spade that doesn"t pair the board.

[mal666]

bet out to induce raise/shove then call/shove accordingly

[KarmaDope]

Without reads, I"m betting this flop. Happy to take it down now as it stands rather than check and risk giving oppo a free card to make their flush.

I agree with Mal - bet to induce shove and call the shove. If he has the flush then start screaming for the board to pair.

[AMRN]

problem is, if he has something along the lines of red AK, he is folding to any lead out bet here..... however, if he is a serial c-bettor, a check is going to get him putting a few more chips in before he folds......  if he only c-bets 50% of the time, then I would take the initiative and lead out

[noble1]

gr8 leigh lol lol   a situation to analyze with no reads on opponent and no idea of your image to him.

Great flop isn"t it , a set is normally so much fun to play..Put this on most forums and pretty much all replies will be ""protect your hand"" or ""you have a big hand get your chips in""....For me it would be ""it depends""....
The only time i am cautious with a set is when you get flops like this,a straightening board or good conservative players giving you plenty of action....

I have run across him on Full Tilt but i"ve never played him on stars where he plays mainly,and he is tight ABC with the odd move...
So any bet you make on this texture of flop if called will be pretty much the hand you dread AKss AQss AJss ATss KQss KJss TJss or if your lucky a big over pair with a spade...Without knowing what he thinks of your image i would say generally he would if you bet out call the made flush and start jamming on the turn,and if he has a big over pair with a spade given that he has 22bb left he"ll probably re-raise all in...If he has Ace spade with a decent non spade kicker he might get freaky on the flop [given stack size] but that depends on your image and how he would perceive your lead out..
Given your position/stack size i"d take a check call line on the flop and see a turn card if a non pairing non spade turn i"d check call a reasonable bet on the turn and if he fires a 3rd barrel on the river any non pairing card then i"d lay it down..
If he were to check the turn and there is no spade on the river i"d fire out with a value bet and hope he only calls or spew up if he went all in...

[lukybugur]

There"s just over 3k in the pot, I"d lead out with a pot sized bet. If you had a Flush, it"s unlikely you"d make such a bet so this could look like A9 and / or big flush draw and he might stick them in to protect his overpair / flush draw. IMO, the 3k bet is the best way for you to get the info that will lose you the minimum / win you the maximum.

[Chipaccrual]

Very little reads I"m afraid.  Hade been at the table for about 20-25 mins, so didn"t really have much to offer.  Most of you seem to be saying, caution, but try to get your chips in.  

Here"s what happened.

*** FLOP *** [  ::]

Chipaccrual: bets 3200

Big4390: raises 5950 to 9150

Chipaccrual: raises 11279 to 20429 and is all-in

Big4390: calls 9050 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (2229) returned to Chipaccrual



I"m now curious as to what Noble1 thinks the guy is holding as he has played him on Tilt a bit.  Anyone else want to offer suggestions before I reveal ?

[Zanshin]

 

[AMRN]

AA or KK, with a spade

[Honeybadg]

I expect he raised with some ridiculous suited (spade) connectors ...

I lost a similar pot to someone with 54s in the hole yesterday.

L

[kinboshi]

This is a similar situation to my hand at the £300 at DTD towards the end of last year. 

Interesting...

[Honeybadg]

... overall on these hands I think you just want to get the chips in the the middle ... occassionally people will have made flushes ... but mostly all kinds of overpairs ...  lower sets ... high spades ... ropey straight draws.

[George2Loose]

His range here is most likely the As- he may have flopped but if he has it"s going in.

I always like to lead out in this spot about 2/3 of the pot

[noble1]

Very little reads I"m afraid.  Hade been at the table for about 20-25 mins, so didn"t really have much to offer.  Most of you seem to be saying, caution, but try to get your chips in.  

Here"s what happened.

*** FLOP *** [  ::]

Chipaccrual: bets 3200

Big4390: raises 5950 to 9150

Chipaccrual: raises 11279 to 20429 and is all-in

Big4390: calls 9050 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (2229) returned to Chipaccrual



I"m now curious as to what Noble1 thinks the guy is holding as he has played him on Tilt a bit.  Anyone else want to offer suggestions before I reveal ?

without knowing his image of you leigh its hard to say but this is a rather large re-raise ....
A over pair fits with a spade  - he has u for a bluff , flush draw or a set which he has to consider [a bigger pair here with a spade would be a 2/1 dog but he has decided to get groovy and go with it [stack size calls for it]..  or maybe a made flush but not the nuts ..
If your image to him his a weak post flop player then he might of got jiggy with 2 high over cards and has tried to muscle you off ..

TBH given i have labeled him tight conservative and you have chosen a lead out line and given that you have around 22bb back i would fold , lick my wounds and give him credit for a made flush....