playing position....

[mal666]

your posting hh`s from a $10k event how many of these players are weak bad non thinking nits?
In the example given your getting called on the river no matter how you try to approach it.

[noble1]

PokerStars Game #26775423665: Tournament #200904083, $3000+$150 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (350/700) - 2009/04/06 0:00:05 ET
Table "200904083 12" 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: plattsburgh (57465 in chips)
Seat 2: hervios (53402 in chips)
Seat 3: LeoFernandez (21005 in chips)
Seat 4: BeL0WaB0Ve (12200 in chips)
Seat 5: alwaysnice (47637 in chips)
Seat 6: Daut44 (63291 in chips)
Seat 7: Babooyah (30558 in chips)
Seat 8: DonRane (20708 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN (20663 in chips)
plattsburgh: posts the ante 85
hervios: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts the ante 85
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts the ante 85
alwaysnice: posts the ante 85
Daut44: posts the ante 85
Babooyah: posts the ante 85
DonRane: posts the ante 85
#1PEN: posts the ante 85
LeoFernandez: posts small blind 350
BeL0WaB0Ve: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to plattsburgh [ qh qd]
alwaysnice: folds
Daut44: folds
Babooyah: folds
DonRane: folds
#1PEN: folds
plattsburgh: raises 880 to 1580
hervios: calls 1580
LeoFernandez: folds
BeL0WaB0Ve: calls 880
*** FLOP *** [ :: ]
BeL0WaB0Ve: checks
plattsburgh: bets 4280
hervios: calls 4280
BeL0WaB0Ve: folds
*** TURN *** [ :: ] [ ::]
plattsburgh: checks
hervios: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ::  ::] [ ::]
plattsburgh: bets 9380
hervios: raises 38077 to 47457 and is all-in
plattsburgh: ??


Matt Vengrin
I have very little info on the agressor besides the fact hes from some random country. Anyways, let me know what you guys think about the flop, turn, and what the hell to do on the river:

replies
Jimmy Fricke
Bet the turn. There"s so much value and it makes the hand a lot easier to play.
As played it"s a ****ty spot, how long did it take him to shove the river? If it took a long time I"m more inclined to call but I certainly think you"re not good here very often with how big his shove was for.

Todd Terry
I"d need a strong read that this guy makes durrrr look like a nit to call the river here, I just don"t think people bluff here in this spot too often, especially for their entire stack in a $3K buy-in event.

Christian Harder
ur flop bet is a little too much imo. Also just go bet/bet/bet ez game. As played fold the river i guess



Mal not everyone thinks 1 pair is good on the river no matter what the buy in,but yes it is wise to adjust to your opponents skill level...In the case of JCTrans hand if nemo thought he was ahead for certain why did he check call the turn? please look at texture and position and his line of play.....What do you think a thinking player oop will make of his JJ oop if jctran is getting all aggressive on the river if he went all in? Also if Tran kept doing it how long before some1 calls him light and likewise what if tran anticipates it etc etc [Exploiting your own image]

[mal666]

Noble you are the ultimate internet warrior, you post crap that you already have a fixed mindset on then invite replies purely so you can shoot them down unless they agree with your own line.
In the hh you gave a river bet is never going to win that pot, in the new one the dynamics are totally different its not even close to the one i commented on.
And pls please revisit the the sage thread cause your pi score for k4 is completely wrong.

[noble1]

Noble you are the ultimate internet warrior, you post crap that you already have a fixed mindset on then invite replies purely so you can shoot them down unless they agree with your own line.
In the hh you gave a river bet is never going to win that pot, in the new one the dynamics are totally different its not even close to the one i commented on.
And pls please revisit the the sage thread cause your pi score for k4 is completely wrong.

revisited and posted and as much as i enjoy constructive banter

your posting hh`s from a $10k event how many of these players are weak bad non thinking nits?
In the example given your getting called on the river no matter how you try to approach it.

i put up a line of play and asked for opinions,all the above just makes a statement of opinion without any argument as to why...I post up a similar line in which Matt found himself and he folded..this line of play is getting more common where
players with over pairs oop check the turn [for whatever reason] and end up in a pickle on the river if they lead for value or intend to check call a bet on the river but are baffled by the all in....

for example -
blulineJ (SB): t5135 M = 85.58
BrandonPL (BB): t1285 M = 21.42
pokerguru69 (UTG): t5337 M = 88.95
Hero (CO): t7170 M = 119.50
TheCronic420 (BTN): t6073 M = 101.22

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is CO with K K
pokerguru69 raises to t120, Hero raises to t320, TheCronic420 calls t320, 2 folds, pokerguru69 calls t200

Flop: (t1020)  :: (3 players)
pokerguru69 checks, Hero bets t680, TheCronic420 calls t680, pokerguru69 folds

Turn: (t2380)  th (2 players)
Hero checks, TheCronic420 bets t980, Hero calls t980

River: (t4340)  :: (2 players)
Hero checks, TheCronic420 bets t4093 all in, Hero ??

around 80% said fold...in mine where the stacks are even less deep most replies [around 75%] were for villain to fold
across the forums , so when you reply that i will get called no matter what , which intrigues me as you offer no explanation as to why?

you post crap that you already have a fixed mindset on

ty ty tyvm i do like to make a stand and play devils advocate , but if i think something is wrong then i will try to make whoever i reply to at least think... lol lol as for a fixed mindset errrr no i try to adjust my thinking on situations as poker
is a constantly changing beast and like most i try to digest and learn as much as possible and pass on to whoever wishes to listen...as i have done from players that i respect [but we still disagree on some things lol lol]

regards
noble1