Thoughts on a hand please

[AMRN]

Full Tilt Poker Game #11965087774: Table Reward (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:52:45 ET - 2009/05/01
Seat 1: ibolabola ($54.25)
Seat 2: harrierz ($52.65)
Seat 3: Skyw4lker ($50)
Seat 4: WhiteRabbit18 ($27.65)
Seat 5: iruxelc ($10)
Seat 6: Lowkick ($128.60), is sitting out
WhiteRabbit18 posts the small blind of $0.25
iruxelc posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to harrierz  qh qd
ibolabola folds
harrierz raises to $1.75
Skyw4lker has 15 seconds left to act
Skyw4lker calls $1.75
WhiteRabbit18 folds
iruxelc folds
iruxelc adds $0.50
*** FLOP *** jd
harrierz bets $3.50
Skyw4lker has 15 seconds left to act
Skyw4lker calls $3.50
*** TURN *** jd ts
harrierz bets $8
Skyw4lker has 15 seconds left to act
Skyw4lker raises to $44.75, and is all in
harrierz has 15 seconds left to act
harrierz calls $36.75
Skyw4lker shows
harrierz shows
*** RIVER *** jd ts
Skyw4lker shows three of a kind, Sevens
harrierz shows a pair of Queens
Skyw4lker wins the pot ($97.75) with three of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100.75 | Rake $3
Board: [ jd ts ]
Seat 1: ibolabola didn"t bet (folded)
Seat 2: harrierz showed  qh qd and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: Skyw4lker (button) showed and won ($97.75) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: WhiteRabbit18 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: iruxelc (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Lowkick is sitting out

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Preflop : open raised with premium hand
Post Flop : Lead out to protect overpair hand
Turn : didn"t much like 4 to a straight on board, but had overpair and open ended draw

Pot sizing 0.75 (blinds) + 3.50 (preflop) + 7.00 (flop) + 8 (my turn lead) = 19.25 + his raise to 44.75..... therefore I have to call 36.75 to win 27.25

Thoughts on other player - in past 50 hands, he had twice flat called every street all the way to the river whilst holding the nuts, and then made min-raise to a river bet. When he over-shoved the turn here, I couldn"t put him on the nuts. Figured I was ahead of any Jx hands or a bluff, and if he had two pair, a set, or AA/KK then I had outs.

Did I make a poor call, or was this just a cooler?

[Swinebag]

I"m no good at 6 max cash, but would say that if it was a tourney, its an easy fold.

Possibly a good call in this spot as the scare card turn has prompted a shove from oppo so you are beating a few shoves and not too far behind hands that are beating you, though I haven"t done any maths.

I would probably do a buy in there, but thats not really saying much

[cincicrappykid]

cooler mate...... those sets are a b876strd.. plus shove looks like he is buying the pot

[deanp27]

probably a fold, even though you have some straight outs (and maybe top set outs) i don"t think you are priced to call. Most players don"t have AJ here and certainly not worse, as this is all you beat.

However to get more credible answers, don"t post the result as it affects responses - post the action up to the guy shoving on you or maybe the turn card. Stats on the guy would also be helpful if you use tracking software.

[lukybugur]

To risk almost a full BuyIn on that scary a board with only an overpair ... hmmm. There are so many hands in his range here that have you beat (a wide variety of trips and two-pair hands) and although it IS a bit of a cooler given that you have had the best hand PF, to such a strong bet on the turn, it"s a fold for me too I"m afraid. But then, I"m a nit

[kinboshi]

Cooler.  You"re not deep enough to fold there.  Call every day of the week.

[kinboshi]

[lukybugur]

Cooler.  You"re not deep enough to fold there.  Call every day of the week.

Although he"s put over a third of his stack in already, if he folds he still has 73BBs left.

When are you coming to DTD?

How can you fold there?  If you"re folding there, then fold it pre.

Every weekend if you"re calling every time!

With the str8 draw it IS somewhat appealing to call to hit one of your 10 outs (four , four and two ) but I still don"t think it"s the correct play. If it is, as part of the learning process, I would love to be shown why.

Question: You have a good read on this player and you put him on trips. Do you still call ... ?

[bigredders]

im calling all day too tbh, it was obv a scared raise to raise so much...he has tried to play he set decepetively and its all gone wrong on the turn, he didnt want a call in that spot. maybe in a tournament i fold but not in a cash game.

[kinboshi]

Cooler.  You"re not deep enough to fold there.  Call every day of the week.

Although he"s put over a third of his stack in already, if he folds he still has 73BBs left.

Which isn"t a lot.

When are you coming to DTD?

How can you fold there?  If you"re folding there, then fold it pre.

Every weekend if you"re calling every time!

...and I want you there every weekend if you"re folding in that spot!!

With the str8 draw it IS somewhat appealing to call to hit one of your 10 outs (four 8 s, four and two ) but I still don"t think it"s the correct play. If it is, as part of the learning process, I would love to be shown why.

Question: You have a good read on this player and you put him on trips. Do you still call ... ?

That"s the issue.  You can"t put him on exactly a set here.  The range of hands he could have here dictates the call.  Steve didn"t add any notes to say "only puts his chips in with a set or made hand" - so we can"t assume he just has a set.

We"re beating a lot of his range, and are live to everything else (except the made straight where we can only chop).  If he turned his cards over so we can see his set, then yes we can fold.  But without any more information it"s a snap call. 



Here"s the hand I said I was going to post - tell me what you do here.

AA on the button (you have 100BB).  You"ve been constantly raising (VP$IP 30, PFR 25), with impunity for the majority of the time. 

The player in the cut-off is fairly tight pre, but plays quite a few flops if he can get in cheap, c-bets a lot, but has only gone to showdown with a decent hand.  You"ve made him fold on a lot of flops with re-raises.  He has about 85BBs.

It"s folded to the cut-off, who raises to $2. 

You re-raise to $7.  The blinds fold, and the cut-off calls.

Flop is    qc  

Cut-off moves all-in...

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[lukybugur]

  :"(

I"m guessing from smileys;

you were shocked initially, you couldn"t work it out so made the call, which was a bad one, and you didn"t improve

[kinboshi]

:"(

I"m guessing from smileys;

you were shocked initially, you couldn"t work it out so made the call, which was a bad one, and you didn"t improve

You guess wrong.  But I"ll wait for more answers before the reveal, otherwise it"s no fun.

[coprey]

Is this 25/50?

Depends on the table and player involved I guess. Is this player a donk like a lot of the players at this level?

If I think he will make this play with top pair i"m obviously calling, that will be about 75% of the time depending on situation.

In saying this, if im ahead I"ll expect an outdraw as he makes two pair on the river.

[Mikeyboy9361]

Can you really call off your entire stack? You have the best starting hand in the game, and you have been pushing the guy around, so I put him on AQ and he is trying to make a point when holding a good hand in case you call him (he is tight). So you call and scoop the lot! Well played sir!

[kinboshi]

It is .25/.50.