Live Hand

[Chipaccrual]

£50 Freezeout live tournament.

Blinds 200/400
Average Stack Size = 6.5k

Both Players playing off around 9.5k stack


Player B, UTG raises to 1200.

Player A (UTG +1), holding    kc , raises to 3600.

Folds back round to player B, who ponders, then reraises all-in.

So, it" s back to Player A......................


No real reads on Player B, joined table fifteen minutes previous, chatty, but only limped into one hand.


What does player A do, and what has player B got ?

[Swinebag]

antes???

[bigredders]

£50 Freezeout live tournament.

Blinds 200/400
Average Stack Size = 6.5k

Both Players playing off around 9.5k stack


Player B, UTG raises to 1200.

Player A (UTG +1), holding    kc , raises to 3600.

Folds back round to player B, who ponders, then reraises all-in.

So, it" s back to Player A......................


No real reads on Player B, joined table fifteen minutes previous, chatty, but only limped into one hand.


What does player A do, and what has player B got ?

i would fold based on the fact that you have average stack left and it is ONLY ak. In saying this it seems as though its the kind of move decent players like to make UTG to represent huge strength.

i would probably think he has suited connectors...10 j maybe?!

[Marty719]

Not the nicest spot it the world, I think smooth calling p/f is fine if u dnt have enough info about the player to make an educated decision is fine.  How many players are at the table??  As played...I think u gta get it in here, gettin ovr 2/1 on your money and I think ur racin" a good portion of the time and best case scenario he went bananas w/aq.

[Eck]

[AMRN]

flat call preflop rather than re-raise.

as played, fold - likelihood of him raising UTG, then shoving to your re-raise, whilst holding something worse than AK? Possible, but unlikely.

AK is only ace high after all. Why risk your tourney with Ace high when still holding an above average stack, and with no reads on player to suggest you might be ahead.

I reckon he had a mid/hi pair - 99 to KK

[Marty719]

flat call preflop rather than re-raise.

as played, fold - likelihood of him raising UTG, then shoving to your re-raise, whilst holding something worse than AK? Possible, but unlikely.

AK is only ace high after all. Why risk your tourney with Ace high when still holding an above average stack, and with no reads on player to suggest you might be ahead.

I reckon he had a mid/hi pair - 99 to KK

If he had a mid/high pair then we r getting the right price to call.

[Eck]

Did you set out with the intention of turning AK into a bluff, never folding after putting 1/3 of my stack in that would be terrible?

If you are prepared to raise fold here then don"t raise but i see nothing wrong with getting them in here. Also I am assuming this is in Nottingham so it  is even more +ev imo.

[AMRN]

flat call preflop rather than re-raise.

as played, fold - likelihood of him raising UTG, then shoving to your re-raise, whilst holding something worse than AK? Possible, but unlikely.

AK is only ace high after all. Why risk your tourney with Ace high when still holding an above average stack, and with no reads on player to suggest you might be ahead.

I reckon he had a mid/hi pair - 99 to KK

If he had a mid/high pair then we r getting the right price to call.

In a cash games, yes clearly.  But for our tourney life? I would already be happy to push with AK, and accept being called by QQ.... but not so sure I want to be calling for my life with AK.

[deanp27]

i hardly ever 3bet fold AK - and i don"t here, not with the structure of the £50.

don"t put a third of your stack in to "see where you are" and then fold. If you are going to do this then don"t 3bet in the first place.

[mal666]

This thread is just one big level right?
Its hand in the air time.

[George2Loose]

lol at all those who raise fold!!!

You either flat or three bet/call a shove.

Personally with the £50 structure at DTD deffp 3 bet/call a shove

[kinboshi]

I flat with the AK here.  With the variables mentioned, especially the size of the bet in relation to the stacks, then you can"t fold AK here. 

Which is why I think the re-raise is a mistake (imo).

[LongshanksED]

flat call preflop rather than re-raise.

as played, fold - likelihood of him raising UTG, then shoving to your re-raise, whilst holding something worse than AK? Possible, but unlikely.

AK is only ace high after all. Why risk your tourney with Ace high when still holding an above average stack, and with no reads on player to suggest you might be ahead.

I reckon he had a mid/hi pair - 99 to KK

If he had a mid/high pair then we r getting the right price to call.

agree with the call the AK pre flop as most folk said especially as you have position and really only premium hands should be re raising here (according to the gap concept)

if i had re raised pre flop then as marty says - considering you put him on medium to high pairs your getting the price to call

[noble1]

flat call preflop rather than re-raise.

as played, fold - likelihood of him raising UTG, then shoving to your re-raise, whilst holding something worse than AK? Possible, but unlikely.

AK is only ace high after all. Why risk your tourney with Ace high when still holding an above average stack, and with no reads on player to suggest you might be ahead.

I reckon he had a mid/hi pair - 99 to KK

to flat call more than 10% of your stack in this scenario with no reads is not so good either, we have to assume villain will c-bet...
given stack sizes/lack of reads if you re-raise to fold then do it with 72o imo... have a plan... if mr AK feels uncomfortable about calling a rrai to his 3bet then he may as well shove all in pre and take advantage of any FE he may have and try to pick up an additional 20% to his stack...or fold [spew]

with no reads Chipaccrual on villain it is extremely difficult to give him a range - he could be a raving nutter or the tightest nit ever with plenty of styles inbetween... if it is a default range you want here then 88+ AJ+ ..
the one plus here is because we have AK then there is a stronger chance that if villain does have pairs in his range then anything upto QQ rather than AA KK is more likely and if two kings mr AK is still not that badly off given the pot size now...