99

[treydj]

hi all,

just a general question.........

all players still have starting stacks - no reads - just an average say $5 - $20 game


9 / 10 seater

SNG level 1 or 2 - 99 UTG - raise fold or limp.

i can make a case for all three , but whats the general idea?

i guess the same can be said for 88 an TT?

Cheers

Jas

[Swinebag]

I agree that you can make a case for all 3

I generally prefer the limp in a STT and will fold to a raise in levels 1 and 2.

same for 88. I should probably do the same for TT, but I think I tend to overplay this hand early in STTs.

[George2Loose]

I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat

[duke3016]

I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat

What he said cos he is still my hero  

[AMRN]

I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat

trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.

i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value

[Swinebag]

I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat

trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.

i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value

you got there before me steve. At these levels ($5 - $20) you are generally bleeding chips, raising with these hands. If you only raise AA - JJ and AK, you may think you are exploitable (as you would be in a MTT) but you rarely are

[treydj]

weird hand eh!!

all replies are different lol!!

i kinda limp and call a standard raise - if i miss my set or i dont flop favourably i"m out.

every time i raise i get called in at least one position thus playing an inflated pot oop with a real difficult hand.

[mal666]

limp call oop is the worst thing we can do here. Raise or fold with a lean towards folding. Don fold every time utg L1

[deanp27]

i never open limp with anything so i open with a raise

[AMRN]

i never open limp with anything so i open with a raise

In this scenario as outlined in the OP, don"t you think this is a little spewy? You are always going to get at least one call, and probably more than one... and then will be playing a flop out of position, with a high likelihood of overcards on the board.   Obviously if you are re-raised preflop you can fold and get away cheap.... but if called, you either c-bet or c/r post flop, and in both events you"re going to have commit more chips than a simple limp/call preflop. In level 1 of a cheap STT, surely 99 is a hand to set-mine with, but not one to play the flop with oop.

[deanp27]

no i don"t think it is spewy at all. people who limp-call small pocket pairs might as well turn their hand face up half the time.

[Marty719]

no i don"t think it is spewy at all. people who limp-call small pocket pairs might as well turn their hand face up half the time.

This only is the case if you play str8 forward.  If u mix up ur game and limp a wide range a small % of the time then set mining here is fine.  I think u can fold if its a very aggressive table - limp if it is a passive limpy table - and raise if ppl r playing tight.  Easy game  As long as u also limp big hands utg a certain % or maybe even s.c."s some of the time then limp = +EV

[George2Loose]

Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99

[AMRN]

Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99

I doubt you play many $5-$20 Sngs..... and that was the subject of the OP.     At least 2 callers most of the time, followed by more spewage on the flop when we c-bet/fold.

[George2Loose]

I"d open but in a sit and go I wouldn"t c bet as often