APAT / Blue Sq account question

[kinboshi]

I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do.  Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills  

Irony.

[Bainn]

I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do.  Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills  

Irony.

Maybe, but did not someone state on here that "Irony" was wasted on a forum ? ?

[M3boy]

I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do.  Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills  

It is not because we have nothing better to do. Stop being so small minded.

It is because some people WILL voice their opinion about matters when they think the matter in question is wrong, irrespective of whom may be upset by it.

To introduce "how paid" at such a late stage is not good at all ( it is the same as advertising an hour long clock, collecting all the money in, then 5 minutes before the start saying it will now be a 15 minute clock imo)- irrespective of the reasons. As I have said, if this was announced at the start then I doubt it would of caused as much debate.

Not only do you have to have the money paid into a blue square account, you have to wait 5 days for it to arrive, then a further 3-4 days for the cash to hit your account (using Neteller) which makes a total of over 1 week. You also have the currency fluctuations to deal with along with associated fees of withdrawing.

How about people who would rather deal in cash, for what ever reason.

What about the people who do not have a bank account? Can your winnings be paid to another person for them to withdraw? I would not think so.

Just because this issue does not affect you, it may affect others because of their circumstances.

[WASP]

Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.

I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you. 

People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.

And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?

[Chipaccrual]

This is a very frustrating thread.  Rest assured that there are reasons why this decision has had to be made, as Des has mentioned.

Hopefully, payments can be made in cash at DTD, but it is always good to have a backup plan.

It is also better to be upfront about it.  You only have to ask those lucky enough to have collected their winnings from Vienna last year by cheque from the poker club.  I think it took a little longer than 2 days to get access to the funds.  

We are dealing here with APAT, DTD & Blue Square, which are three very respected poker organisations, who will be doing what is best for the poker players.

I for one would be very happy if money has to be paid into my Blue Square account as that would mean I have cashed.  (So, in reality, this is not a problem I will need to worry about)  

Anyway, come Thursday, if anyone has played well enough to cash, I"m sure it will not matter as much, unless you just enjoy debating anyway.

[M3boy]

Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.

I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you. 

People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.

And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?

Nice post, and i agree if you do not cash then it is not an issue but who knows who will cash or not until after the event.

[kinboshi]

Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.

I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you. 

People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.

And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?

But surely the only way that APAT can move forward and progress is through listening to the thoughts and opinions of its members?  Paul merely put forward a point of view that has merit, and others have agreed with it.  You might disagree with his opinion, but it"s far better to argue against the opinion rather than attack the individual.  

[WASP]

Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.

I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you. 

People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.

And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?

But surely the only way that APAT can move forward and progress is through listening to the thoughts and opinions of its members?  Paul merely put forward a point of view that has merit, and others have agreed with it.  You might disagree with his opinion, but it"s far better to argue against the opinion rather than attack the individual. 

Yep I agree but I"m not sure I attacked the individual? The point may have been valid but the tone of the thread was anti bluesq (not by M3) it was just M3 who chose to answer (and attack me) and your wonderful one word contribution was a great help as well.

[kinboshi]

No problem.

[3N1GM4]

I don"t have a huge problem with winnings being paid into a BlueSQ account (not least because my chances of cashing are almost nil) as a backup method - with cash being preferred - but I haven"t had the impression that it was the backup method, more that it was the preferred method. If cash will be paid to all who want it if possible, then that"s all we can ask IMO.

[M3boy]

I don"t have a huge problem with winnings being paid into a BlueSQ account (not least because my chances of cashing are almost nil) as a backup method - with cash being preferred - but I haven"t had the impression that it was the backup method, more that it was the preferred method. If cash will be paid to all who want it if possible, then that"s all we can ask IMO.

I for one agree

[Chipaccrual]

There is a bit of background to the Blue Square thing, but I can"t go into the details here. It is definitely not a requirement of our agreement with them. The Omaha and Horse events are very small player wise and are largely being played by the die hards, of whom a very high percentage will already have a BSQ account.

I still very much hope that we can pay the players for those two events directly at DTD though.  However, if that is not possible, it will have to be by Blue Square account. Obviously you may need to trust that APAT only ever acts in the interests of our members, so there is good reason for the above.

[AMRN]

can"t believe i just spent 5 mins of my life reading this thread!  APAT does what"s best for it"s membership on every occasion. If there is difficulty paying out in cash, and winnings have to be paid via BSQ account, so be it - I will just accept the fact that there must be a good reason for it. 

Now.... just need to make the cash so I have an interest in how this debate concludes.....

[Claw75]

PUT YOUR TRUST IN THE APAT ITS THEM WHO LOOK AFTER YOU  TRUST TRUST TRUST STOP YOUR MOANING       YOU PEASANTS .   MOST OF US ARE ON A BUDGET SO WHAT JUST ENJOY THE CARDS STUFF THE DOSH  YOU WILL GET IT EVENTUALLY

nice.

[evilpie]

Sorry but this just doesn"t make any sense at all to me.

If there"s a problem getting hold of the actual "cash" then how come the ME isn"t being paid via Blue Square?

If it was all 3 tournaments I could probably understand. Why are the omaha and HORSE being singled out?

If we have to be paid out via Blue Square how come we could pay in another way?

Also it"s all well and good people saying that this is just moaning but I know for a fact that these things can become a problem. A friend of mine won a sizeable amount from the Virgin festival and had a nightmare getting his money. The money was in his virgin account but he had all the hassle of sending off documents to prove that the account was his before he could withdraw.

By the time he"d paid net teller charges and lost a bit through the x rate he"d lost a fair bit of his total prize. This is effectively reducing the value of his buy in as he didn"t get a full pay out.

I know that APAT aren"t doing this to be awkward but it is important so needs to be discussed on an open forum particularly by people who are playing in the event.