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maverick1

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online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« on: November 14, 2009, 13:28:42 PM »
in live play i always like to open usually 3 times the big blind, i like to play nearly all my hands the same way, i dont like limping i like to be aggressive and loose and dictate what goes on the table and take advantage of it when i can, but online that all goes out the window i always end up getting bossed about, its like players online are maniacs.
i never seem to be able to win online ive had a handful of cashes but no wins i always have to tighten up and i manage to stay afloat above the chip average and plod along but have never found a way of being able to get up amongst the chip leaders.
loose play doesn"t seem to work and tightening up wont win me anything, i know you must sacrifice a few paid places to give yourself the chance to win but what the hell is going wrong? im finding it impossible to get right!

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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 14:07:42 PM »
TAG it up.  Ppl play bad online.  W8 for good hands, work on your bet sizing to get the highest % of your stack in the middle wen u have the best hand.  Ppl will inevitably make a mistake - capitalise wen they do.
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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 14:57:47 PM »

TAG it up.  Ppl play bad online.  W8 for good hands, work on your bet sizing to get the highest % of your stack in the middle wen u have the best hand.  Ppl will inevitably make a mistake - capitalise wen they do.

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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 15:15:21 PM »
How - ppl r mega lagish online.  TAG is the way forward.  Ppl also tend to pay u off wayyy too light, thus try and get max value from ur big hands.

Do u just recomend hammer down 3-bet shoving ftw?

Also...not very constructive for the academy section :P  wat wud ur advice b?
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 15:32:09 PM »


TAG it up.  Ppl play bad online.  W8 for good hands, work on your bet sizing to get the highest % of your stack in the middle wen u have the best hand.  Ppl will inevitably make a mistake - capitalise wen they do.

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 16:05:33 PM »
lol.... juust go allin with ace   4   u will win every comp u play in
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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 16:20:10 PM »
Hi Maverick, what sort of games & buyin are you playing in? Its kind of irrespective but the maniac to solid player ratio gets a lot thicker the lower you play especially in large field sizes.

I would personally only play lag against players I have position on that I can read pretty well and who seem weak with table conditions that allow me to isolate easily. Playing a consistent lag style against all players may make ppl think you are the maniac giving them a reason to call you lighter then you"d expect.

Generally the "fish" population are playing anywhere between 26/4/1 to 50/8/5. If you"re a live player with a gd understanding on lag and playing like 28/28/3.5+ then its inevitable that the fish are going to call and the tighter players who understand gap concept will get involved with you as well putting you in quite a few tough spots.

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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 18:32:52 PM »

lol.... just go allin with ace   4   u will win every comp u play in


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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 19:47:17 PM »
 One thing that i find online players are really good at, is putting me out of my comfort zone, once i am not comfortable playing, then i make mistakes. I much prefer live, but living about 1 hr away from my nearest casino, it makes better sense to play online. in cash games the players are usually playing like multitabling bots, and you have to be-aware that they are gonna get 100bbs in the middle with hands like AK or JJ.

Hey Marty719, about 2 years ago, i used to think that online players were worse than live. But recentaly things are changing. I played a tourney at Grovensor walsall the other week. It was  £165 buy in, and i couldnt belive the ammount of dead money out there. If i was as bad, as some of them, i would do somthing better with my money.
 
When i play tourenys or cash online, even at low stakes, i actually struggle because other players seem to be better than me. There are some very good players who i bump into, i reckon that some of them are making a living playing as low as 50c $1 cash games, or $20 sngs. And with so much online training such as Poker VT, Bluefire etc....also things like online staking site such as blackbelt, not to mention Holdem manager and poker tracker or other tracking softwear, these online guys are basically playing a different sort of generation game.

To get better at poker (which we all want to do, otherwise we wouldnt be here in the first place) you somtimes have to admit that other players can be better than yourself.

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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 01:10:15 AM »

in live play i always like to open usually 3 times the big blind, i like to play nearly all my hands the same way, i dont like limping i like to be aggressive and loose and dictate what goes on the table and take advantage of it when i can, but online that all goes out the window i always end up getting bossed about, its like players online are maniacs.
i never seem to be able to win online ive had a handful of cashes but no wins i always have to tighten up and i manage to stay afloat above the chip average and plod along but have never found a way of being able to get up amongst the chip leaders.
loose play doesn"t seem to work and tightening up wont win me anything, i know you must sacrifice a few paid places to give yourself the chance to win but what the hell is going wrong? im finding it impossible to get right!


wowser this is difficult to answer,there is so many potential answers..You need to start breaking your game down and look back at sessions that you play with a crictical eye and try to put aside all pre-conceived ideas of how such and such should be played and identify any weak areas that you may have.Next try to find some players better than yourself to discuss hands/strategy,reads etc etc with..
Common problems that imo hold players back from getting better are -
1. i see a lot of players keep viewing situations as separate entitys and dont look at the stream of events as a whole,hence they end up playing reactive poker with no real planning.
2. players ranges and betting sizes/patterns are not very well balanced which means they end up being easy to read by the better players. [you dont say if your playing cash,mtt or sng and i tried to find some decent material that met get you thinking on this subject,but here is a free video of a guy explaining his strategy on balancing his range of hands when dealing with agg 3bettors that may get your grey matter thinking http://www.parttimepoker.com/video-calling-as-a-strategy-for-dealing-with-aggressive-three-betting]
3. over esitimating implied odds and because they tend to check fold most flops when they miss when they eventually do hit something big it is so painfully obvious that they mostly dont get paid off.
4. obv - over play top pair hands
5. get in a bad habit of making disgust calls on the river when there 2 pair is outdrawn by some guy chasing a flush draw for example..[even though they know they"re beat on the river they still call,hence the disgust call]
6. They learn by reading books/articles or watch videos etc and then misapply what they learn , for example 3betting very light other players but not taking into account that players calling frequency..Other examples are cbetting and floating at totally wrong times because there reading skills of players and flop textures etc are way way off.
7. only think about there own hand,or if they do think about there opponents styles and hand ranges they forget to take into account how opponents perceive there own possible hands/image, this in turn leads to reading opponent hands wrong because that player maybe playing his hand different based on what he thinks you have.
8. not stack size aware [mtts/sngs]
9. lose patience easily or Tilt when bad beat or if they insist they do not ""tilt"" they do start playing future hands badly ;D
10. play out of position far to much.

i best stop as like i said there are a multitude of things in our games that we can look at, so just experiment,try to improve your reading skills,be honest with yourself and above all learn to accept variance especially in mtts [sometimes volume is the answer]


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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 11:08:45 AM »



TAG it up.  Ppl play bad online.  W8 for good hands, work on your bet sizing to get the highest % of your stack in the middle wen u have the best hand.  Ppl will inevitably make a mistake - capitalise wen they do.

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maverick1

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Re: online play - loose doesnt work for me!!
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 21:19:07 PM »
thanks for all of your replies some really great advice there! much appreciated!
ive been doing some evaluating and i think i need to sort out my hand rankings, my betting in position (something im still not sure on)
looking back id say i loose a lot of chips mid-bubble i build up early but then i get affraid to tighten up and failing to get decent extraction when holding a monster, calling light and folding to much to re-raises (ive got a lot to sort out i think!)

i mainly play $10 45 player sng"s on fulltilt the quality of play is quite good bit mixed really.

noble thanks for posting that video, i havnt had a chance to watch it fully but watched about 15mins of it. the site looks good tho.

on to amazon and some books need to be ordered i think! dan harrington here i come!
if anyone hasnt read it yet i highly recommend gus hansen every hand revealed!!