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Jon MW

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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2007, 12:14:37 PM »


Well done to the winner. Came 7th

It was a fun tournament to play in, but wouldnt have been as fun if i had work the next day. Next time out maybe make it 3k starting chips?

Maybe make it 20$ as well?

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Seconded.  ;D
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Also why don"t we keep it 5k starting chips, and change it to just Saturday? ;)


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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2007, 00:14:23 AM »
Not everyone who wants to play can make Saturdays (like me) , or for some make Thursdays. Having both tourneys gives members a chance to play.

The tourneys should be shortened by way of shorter blinds or smaller starting stack.
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2007, 09:29:35 AM »

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The tourneys should be shortened by way of shorter blinds or smaller starting stack.


So make it a worse tournament - more of a crapshoot - more like every other tournament, in which case, what would be the point?
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2007, 09:47:28 AM »
agree with this.

As much as I"d like the online tourneys to finish earlier myself, I also understand that APAT is about deepstacked tourneys allowing for more creative play. Its too bad for me and for others, but I"ll just deal with it.

If the turnouts had been small then maybe it could be an issue for consideration. 200 isn"t a bad turn out IMO.

If 200 is a poor turnout (IOPO) and less chips/smaller blinds results in 1000 runners, how much quicker would the tourney really play out?
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2007, 00:15:26 AM »
i appreciate and understand what you are saying, and i can deal with a 3 a.m. finish even an 8 a.m. finish, but how many can. It is an amature association so most players will have work to go to a few hours later.

As the snowball known as APAT continues to grow 230 players could well be regarded as a low turn out in months to come. A max of 800 players are allowed. What time finish for 400 players or 600 players under the current structure - or will the structure itself control the number of players because members will not enter because of the length of the tourney.

If so, can this be right? The structure controlling the members, and not the members contolling the structure.

You can only control the length of a tourney by way of buy-in, number of players, length of blinds and starting chips.

Increasing the cost of buy-in is unfair to those that want to but can"t afford to ($20 seems to be fair to me)

Drastically reducing the max number of players ends up with another "clickfest" which we all hate.

Would 3,000 chips really be that painful? Cream will always float to the top whether it be 3,000 or 5,000 chips.

Would 12 min blinds instead of 15 mins really lead to a "crapsoot". I don"t think so.

The more hurdles that you put in the way of a member taking part, the less interested a member will become, and you will end up with a small elite group of people left - a private members club rather than an association.

Deepstacks and long blinds work well for live events because of the constraints laid down by lack of table space at casinos.

What would happen if everyone who took part in the clickfest a couple of weeks ago could get a seat - the tourney would take 3 or 4 days, and how many would then be able to take part? The constraints of the casinos will not last for ever - what will we do then.

The structure is not the most important thing in the APAT (IMHO), the member is, and their active participation should be encouraged and made as easy as possible.

This will lead to a happy and active community, which I am sure we all want.
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #80 on: October 21, 2007, 00:43:38 AM »
Very well said.

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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #81 on: October 21, 2007, 00:46:57 AM »
Here"s a radical idea - why do we have to conclude a tournament in one sitting? Live tournaments are played over multiple sittings, why not online? It might mean major changes to software or it could be as simple as increasing the duration of the last break of the night to 20 hours. Could be something for future seasons?



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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2007, 01:09:59 AM »

Here"s a radical idea - why do we have to conclude a tournament in one sitting? Live tournaments are played over multiple sittings, why not online? It might mean major changes to software or it could be as simple as increasing the duration of the last break of the night to 20 hours. Could be something for future seasons?

This is a brilliant suggestion! Cant believe it would mean too many drastic changes to the software (If they can change between blind level lengths and starting stack sizes they can surely change break lengths)

The only real problem would be people who would not be available on other days

At the end of the day, you"ll never please everyone, which is why i think they should keep it as it is for now.

A poll/survey/questionaire on the structure for the online series would surely settle any arguements.

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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2007, 11:22:26 AM »
Lets make them flipaments- that way the tourney will be over in a minute.

20,000 strating chips. Only rule is you have to go all in every hand.  There u go- all done!

Might sound a bit sarky but I agree with Jon MW- there is plenty of tourney selection out there online with low starting chips and quick blinds.  The unique thing about APAT is that it offers a deeper structure at a fraction of the cost.

I personally would feel aggrieved if you took chips off players. It would take my edge away being the great player I am  ;D
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2007, 19:48:59 PM »
I have"nt competed in season 2 online yet(Holidays), but i have read these posts with interest as they bring up a couple of valid points which members feel strongly about ie,

1) some wanting a quality tourney with a bigger than normal starting stack enabling creative play, so we amateurs can develop a better game.

2) but concerns from some others regarding growth in numbers which will effect some members ability to play due to the length of the tourneys?

I have a couple of solutions which need forum discussion;

1) Why can"t APAT/Blue Square look at running 2 tourneys alongside each other on the THURSDAY ONLY both starting at the same time. One keeping the current format and the other with less chips/faster blinds(whatever is agreed). Players would be able to CHOOSE which format suited them that night and play in ONE only-not both? Obviously player numbers would have to rise upto 300+ for this to be feasible and perhaps a consensus taken on members choices to give a guide as to the number of players wanting which option?
This would obviously double the APAT points available on this night which needs to be carefully thought thru and of course a check to ensure members do not enter both?
I think that Saturday could be left as we are, but that can also be open to debate?

2) Another option is for APAT to split the membership in 2, via email addresses or surnames etc and allocate one half into a "BLACK TEAM" the other the "WHITE TEAM", or "A TEAM" & a "B TEAM" or "DES"S DRUNKS" & "TIKAY"S ANORAK"S"!?
On THURSDAY ONLY Blue Square has both tourneys open for Apat members to join their allocated tourney and all new members are allocated a team which keeps them equal in size etc.
Option 2 has the tourneys running at the current status and can be split further as online participation grows. Perhaps into the regional groups we currently have for live events which throws up the possibility of online regional points-just an idea?

Okay a lot to take in and i am sure it can be improved upon-what do you think? ???  ;D    


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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2007, 20:00:00 PM »
If you try a bit harder Kevin, I"m sure you could find an even more complicated solution ;)
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2007, 20:05:47 PM »
I did think that DES"S DRUNKS & TIKAY"S ANORAKS was funny though!? Imagine Des getting someone drunk?  ;D

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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2007, 20:23:07 PM »
But if Des's one was ironic then shouldn"t Tikays be so as well?
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Re: APAT Online Series - Austrian Open
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2007, 21:09:54 PM »
Yes, but somehow not as much?  :D