Call?

[pokerpops]

2nd level of a small (20-30 runners) £10 weekly deepstack
Start with 10,000 chips
into the second level and I have c16,500 on the button with  kd qh
UTG min raises and gets two callers before me

I am very sure she has a small to medium pair here, played against her pretty often and my confidence is high on the read.

I raise to 600 and small blind calls - he thinks I"m "at it", especially since he called pre, flop  and turn before folding on the river to my bluff earlier.

Original raiser goes all in for an additional 5,050

I"m on a 45% chance to win the pot if she has an underpair which I am sure she does. If I call and lose I still have 11,000 chips, if I call and win I have over 21,000 (I believe SB will fold, again I"ve played with him a lot)

Insta call?
Considered call?
Insta fold?
Considered fold?
Toss a coin?

[AMRN]

insta-fold

you might have confidence in your read, but you have no way of knowing for certain that she has an underpair to your KQ. What else might she min-raise with? AA,KK,QQ,AK,AQ??   and even if she does have an underpair, why would you want to risk a third of your stack so early in a tourney in a situation where you are 50/50 at best, or 20/80 at worst.

[deanp27]

i wouldn"t 3bet KQ here and now i would fold very quickly

[Marty719]

Rather than ne of ur options I will add:

Fold pre (and I usually advocate 3/b"n more thn most )

UTG + min raise = strong most of the time, and KQ just gets u in trouble.  As played, make the table smoulder with the speed u muck ur cards.

[WYoung83]

i would never 3 bet pre with kq in a scenario like this. Hand is too good to get forced into a fold preflop ( you wanna see a cheap flop with this). But you have now turned it into a bluff in this case. it is ok punishing weak limpers with hands like KQ because you may want to isolate them. And its ok doing a squeeze with 94o......but a squeeze with kq is not what i would do.

But now you have to insta fold. to many hands that you are way behind to, and not a good spot.

[bear21]

+1

[mal666]

Lets say o/r flips 88 thinking everyone has passed. Do you call ?

[duke3016]

even I would fold - must be going soft  

[WYoung83]

 Depends on structure mal, for me. If its going to be a fast crap shoot, then i take the flip early to get chips. if its a decant structure, then i play and grind away for a while playing poker untill i have to get it in, and hopefully it will be in a better spot.

[Swinebag]

I call in position here and proceed with caution afterwards. As played, I"m mucking in an instant. I dont think you can narrow a players range to just small pairs because they min raise UTG (is this the only type of hand they do this with?) You dont need to be playing a big pot this early where you are flipping at best and dominated at worst.

[mal666]

I call in position here and proceed with caution afterwards. As played, I"m mucking in an instant. I dont think you can narrow a players range to just small pairs because they min raise UTG (is this the only type of hand they do this with?) You dont need to be playing a big pot this early where you are flipping at best and dominated at worst.

I just got the gist he was semi posting the result and wanted to know if peeps would flip this early.

[MintTrav]

Get outta here - cluttering up the forum with your discussion of poker hands.

[pokerpops]

It"s a very fast structure - 20mins for 1st three levels by which time we"re at 200/400.

I raised to get the pot down to just me and original raiser - if she just calls the raise I have a real chance of taking the pot with maybe a half pot bet on pretty much any flop (if my read is good and I have to play as though it is until something suggests I"m wrong).

The shove surprised me. Certainly got it down to just the two of us.

She had eights as it happens. Still all folding?

[TheSnapper]

[AMRN]