Welsh National 2010- Aspers Swansea

[CrizzyConnor]

What"s the definition of an APAT member?

Someone who has submitted their email address to the APAT website, and created a username

What about that fellow that won an event last season (I think) that just showed up on the day at the casino and wasn"t registered with APAT website or Blue Square? I saw something mentioned about it on another thread and I think that it"s anyone who plays in ANY tournament held by apat (live or online) or anyone who has reg"d on website. Not 100% sure though...

I do personally think that you should have to register on here before you can play an event, especially a live one but oh well.

[KarmaDope]

What"s the definition of an APAT member?

Someone who has submitted their email address to the APAT website, and created a username

What about that fellow that won an event last season (I think) that just showed up on the day at the casino and wasn"t registered with APAT website or Blue Square? I saw something mentioned about it on another thread and I think that it"s anyone who plays in ANY tournament held by apat (live or online) or anyone who has reg"d on website. Not 100% sure though...

I do personally think that you should have to register on here before you can play an event, especially a live one but oh well.

If you don"t mind me asking, why? This isn"t the Online Amateur Poker and Association Tour, and not everybody uses the internet.

This is the sole criticism I have of APAT, yet I can"t think of a solution. Some people solely use cash, aren"t technologically advanced, and as such this rules them out of even trying to attempt to play APAT. Just a pity there"s no real solution for this.

[CrizzyConnor]

What"s the definition of an APAT member?

Someone who has submitted their email address to the APAT website, and created a username

What about that fellow that won an event last season (I think) that just showed up on the day at the casino and wasn"t registered with APAT website or Blue Square? I saw something mentioned about it on another thread and I think that it"s anyone who plays in ANY tournament held by apat (live or online) or anyone who has reg"d on website. Not 100% sure though...

I do personally think that you should have to register on here before you can play an event, especially a live one but oh well.

If you don"t mind me asking, why? This isn"t the Online Amateur Poker and Association Tour, and not everybody uses the internet.

This is the sole criticism I have of APAT, yet I can"t think of a solution. Some people solely use cash, aren"t technologically advanced, and as such this rules them out of even trying to attempt to play APAT. Just a pity there"s no real solution for this.

The simple fact is, anybody that doesn"t use the internet these days does so through choice imo. If you don"t have a computer and even if you don"t know how to use one you can go to most local libraries throughout the UK and get free internet access and be shown how to use the computers. It only takes two seconds to sign up, you don"t need to spend anymore time online than that. Before my great-gran died last year she was using the internet regularly at 90yrs old, and she only learned how to do so at 88! If she done it, anybody can. The vast majority of people in the UK can get online if they really want to. The same thing goes with Credit Cards, you don"t even need a credit card in fact - I"ve always used my debit card attached to my regular bank account when loading money onto poker sites. And anyone who doesn"t have a bank account is living in the dark ages, how do they get paid for work etc?

Myself and hundreds of others travel from all over the country to attend APAT events and go to the effort to do so. My main gripe with this subject came when I found out local folk not associated with APAT could just turn up to the speciality series this season on the day and play in the events if they so wish. I think priority should be given to the people who have made the effort to register already, satellite or buy into the main event and in most cases travelled distances and made hotel arrangements to be at the event. Most popular local casinos or poker clubs could fill these events on a Sunday no problem without any APAT players being involved. That"s where my main gripe comes from. I"m not saying anyone should be disallowed to enter, APAT is open to everyone to play if they so wish but there should be some sort of proper procedure to join and local players (who are not yet APAT members) should be given some sort of advance warning to join should they want to play in any of the events.

Just my opinion though.

[MAIR]

"if they really want to", thats just it Chris they may not want to USE the internet, its personal preference.

As for people at the local casino getting in as an alternate, they have every right to become a member of APAT just like you and I did, and if there is a space available via an alternate on the day then I see no reason why that person can"t play, after all we all have to start as an APAT member somewhere.

It shouldn"t matter how or where you become an APAT member.

My belief to becoming a member is either by registering via APAT website, playing an online game gets you an auto membership, so therefore, playing a live game would make you an auto member also, even if it is the next day you sign up for the forum.

Many people travel down to the events in the hope of still getting into the tournament as an alternate, I"m talking regular APAT members who play, and a lot of them are successful but when the alternate list is opened and people put their name down, having a new local individual sign up can only be good for APAT overall as they hopefully will become a regular player, join in with the forum and be welcomed like everyone else to the APAT community.

As for the speciality series, I would imagine APAT will have an APAT members register first policy, but I can"t confirm that as I do not know.

[Jon MW]

I agree, you shouldn"t be compelled to use the internet to be a member, there"s no reason for any poker player to have to use the internet, so there"s no reason for an APAT member to have to either

Ideally I wouldn"t want people to have to join Betfair to preregister for the events either, but I do have some idea of how much hassle payment processing is in general for any organisation, so I can fully understand why it could be allowed as a necessary evil

[goddelusion]

Will the seats for the speciality event also go on sale via the Betafir site. I shall be in Swansea for the whole weekend so would like to try and get a seat for both events if I"m lucky.

[Paulie_D]

Will the seats for the speciality event also go on sale via the Betafir site. I shall be in Swansea for the whole weekend so would like to try and get a seat for both events if I"m lucky.

Nope...available in the casino only Sat/Sun, AFAIK. Priority MAY go to busted players from the main comp (although I doubt it).

Details on this are eagerly awaited.

[Geo]

"if they really want to", thats just it Chris they may not want to USE the internet, its personal preference.

As for people at the local casino getting in as an alternate, they have every right to become a member of APAT just like you and I did, and if there is a space available via an alternate on the day then I see no reason why that person can"t play, after all we all have to start as an APAT member somewhere.

It shouldn"t matter how or where you become an APAT member.

My belief to becoming a member is either by registering via APAT website, playing an online game gets you an auto membership, so therefore, playing a live game would make you an auto member also, even if it is the next day you sign up for the forum.

Many people travel down to the events in the hope of still getting into the tournament as an alternate, I"m talking regular APAT members who play, and a lot of them are successful but when the alternate list is opened and people put their name down, having a new local individual sign up can only be good for APAT overall as they hopefully will become a regular player, join in with the forum and be welcomed like everyone else to the APAT community.

As for the speciality series, I would imagine APAT will have an APAT members register first policy, but I can"t confirm that as I do not know.

Great post Mary, as you state it is all about spreading the word and encouraging others to participate, Internet literate or not.

Geo

[CrizzyConnor]

Fair points Mary but i"m not discouraging anybody from joining, I"ve brought a good few members to APAT and referred to lots more. I realise we"ve all got to start somewhere but when I joined I thought the registration process was by joining the forum (that was feedback I got at time of joining) and I did so before playing any APAT event. It doesn"t really matter anyway, APAT will always be growing I just think there should be some set out way of registering prior to playing. Like I said, my main gripe is with the specialist series as I thought this was introduced as an event for APAT members who had travelled and made arrangements to be there for two days but had went out in first day. I don"t even think these events should be closed off to outside players I just think APATers should be given priority to get on the list for these games should they not progress past day 1.

[AJDUK]

If you give APAT players priority the games will be full before we arrive, or at least by the end of ME day 1.

By allowing locals to register for an event on an equal footing does in some way recompense them for having their card room overrun for the weekend by what might be perceived as a closed shop. Perceived being the operative word of course coz I"m not saying we are. "I come here week in week out and now I"m told I can"t play....."

I do think this is also a great way of spreading the word and increasing the membership.

It was fun in the team championship day 2 mixing with the locals on THEIR sunday afternoon game. I think this should work both ways. Keep it open.

[CrizzyConnor]

The Sunday games were concieved as something for APATers to do on the Sunday were they not? I have differing opinions to you but it doesn"t really matter anyway. As far as i"m concerned the card room is being compensated by our wonderful sponsors, it is therefore their responsibility to inform their regular players that they should sign up in advance or make room for other tournaments for them. Don"t get me wrong I had good fun playing with the locals in Walsall and i"m not oppossed to these players being involved, even a few seats being kept aside for live satellites for the local players being inconvenienced at each venue like Sky Poker are doing on their tour, I just think there should be some sort of procedure to join.

[AJDUK]

I agree - a procedure is a necessity.

My procedure would involve reserving an equal number of seats for APAT players as locals to register into, until a certain time when it becomes open to all.

[CrizzyConnor]

I agree - a procedure is a necessity.

My procedure would involve reserving an equal number of seats for APAT players as locals to register into, until a certain time when it becomes open to all.

Don"t think this makes sense really with the intention that the Sunday games were started with but i"ll agree to disagree.

[AJDUK]

It was to give busto"s something to do on the Sunday I know that - but this does take even more resource away from the locals so it makes sense to think about them too. I"m not saying my idea is any good or anything but do feel we shouldn"t get too possessive about these tourney"s.

[SirPercival]

AFAIK if a local turns up and registers then he/she is then an APAT member. The whole ethos as I understand it is that APAT is open to all. (except pros - but that"s another debate)