what to do on the river?

[shozboy1]

what should I do here on the river? No reads on this guy as he"s only been around for 6 of so hands


PokerStars Game #40161327440:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/22 19:14:55 WET [2010/02/22 14:14:55 ET]
Table "Aksnes II" 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: caxuc120 ($62.50 in chips)
Seat 2: BooyaKash ($58.05 in chips)
Seat 3: shozboy ($59.50 in chips)
Seat 4: uAreMaJob ($61.15 in chips)
Seat 5: ur_suspect ($108.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Birdlet ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 7: erkan00 ($57.60 in chips)
Seat 8: chopshop187 ($54.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Burkinator99 ($50 in chips)
ur_suspect: posts small blind $0.25
Birdlet: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shozboy [ ]
erkan00: folds
chopshop187: folds
Burkinator99: folds
caxuc120: folds
BooyaKash: folds
shozboy: raises $0.75 to $1.25
uAreMaJob: folds
ur_suspect: folds
Birdlet: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Birdlet: bets $0.50
shozboy: raises $1.50 to $2
Birdlet: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Birdlet: checks
shozboy: bets $3.50
Birdlet: raises $6 to $9.50
shozboy: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Birdlet: bets $21.50

[CrizzyConnor]

If i"m calling the turn then I"m calling the river. And I am calling both. I"m a fish though so who knows.

What did he have? Two pair, J8 or Q8?

[shozboy1]

I wish I knew. I folded the river so I"ll never know. It was a crying fold but I felt I had to be beat here. What do others think?

[CrizzyConnor]

I wish I knew. I folded the river so I"ll never know. It was a crying fold but I felt I had to be beat here. What do others think?

If you"re calling the turn though, what changes on the river?

[Swinebag]

I"d have raised more pre. I"m with Chris though and would call both turn and river, even though it is possibly a mistake.

His min donk lead/call raise then c/r on turn line seems weird so he"s polarized here. I should fold, make a note and watch this guy play a few more orbits. Probably fold turn as well.

But its cash and I have to know....call.

But thats why I dont play cash, I"d fold this in a tourney.

[shozboy1]

I called turn to consider calling based on size of bet. I didn"t like his near pot bet here

[MintTrav]

Raise more pre. He can call $0.75 raise with anything to bust your big pair. Unlikely to be winning now.

[shozboy1]

The only reason I raised 2.5x was to keep things in line with my prev 2-3 raises (which were seen by villain, but who knows if he noticed) with small pairs/suited connectors etc. Hoping someone might have repopped me

[CrizzyConnor]

I called turn to consider calling based on size of bet. I didn"t like his near pot bet here

I"m too curious to know which is why i"d call (see: "Station"). You are probably losing to two pair imo but the two pair was made on the flop or the turn. Don"t think you"re up against a set because he would"ve played it harder on that flop. The pot sized bet could be a value bet but he could also be trying to buy the pot. I"d play it differently in a tournament like has been said but in a cash game I can re-load so I play like a fish. I"d maybe even 3-bet on the turn. Get more info than you do from his river jam I think.

[WYoung83]

 Really bad raise pre (too small), with the way the hand is played post flop he is probably sending you to value town knowing that you have AA or KK. i would not be surprised to see either flopped straight/ set or 2 pair.

This is just a typical cash game hand that happens all the time, T the end of the day you only have 1 pair and if you check behind on turn, like you should of done IMO then you can just call his river bet and either pick off a semi bluff of a pair and draw combo or loose a smaller pot for information if he did have you beat (which is very likely)

[shozboy1]

I agree a check behind on the turn would"ve been good. My only concern was the board got even drawyier with popping up. I needed to charge a draw to play till the river. Obv hated being 3bet on the turn, but had to call to look at his action on the river. If he"d bet smaller I would maybe have called.
My thinking on the turn was I needed to bet to charge him, if he gets to the river cheaply and doesn"t hit, I won"t win anymore from him, so wanted more in on the turn. Although thinking about it, on a dangerous board my aim should"ve been to lose the minimum so should"ve checked behind

[hi_am_chris]

Isnt the 2.5 x raise more of a tournament raise than a cash raise?

[shozboy1]

you"re probably right

[CrizzyConnor]

Isnt the 2.5 x raise more of a tournament raise than a cash raise?

Im a standard 3.5x open or pot raise pre-flop in 6-max.

[shozboy1]

forgot to mention, I snap called (steaming abit) with my AK and he showed A9 for 2 pair. Maybe a bigger turn bet may have got a fold. The ace was obv worst card in deck for me