OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS

[Roscopiko]

Have to laugh when people start talking about etiquette, as if we are participating in a Georgian society event, instead of a feckin poker tournament.

Generally speaking I maybe slightly agree but in this case its very valid imo.

The rule is there as stated to stop collusion, not for collecting information, so by asking to see you are flat out accusing him of collusion.

Eh? Who was he colluding with - himself? He certainly didn"t take in the way you are suggesting.

By asking to see his cards you accuse him of colluding. Simple as that. In your case someone else then has a moan (heaven forbit a poker player moaning over nothing) even though they werent affected by your action.  Nowt queer as folk eh

I was just pointing out that strictly speaking hes right.  Possibly if he had explained why it was bad etiquette that might have helped too as most people just think it is cos they got moaned at for doing it.  Its like slowrolling imo its not against the rules to do it but once you understand it most people dont do it to other people.

[AMRN]

dont think there"s anything wrong with asking to see cards once in a while - and if it puts the other guy on tilt, even better...... just remember that once you"ve asked though, the opportunity is always there for he (and others) to ask you to show cards out of spite.  

I don"t think it"s like slowrolling at all. It"s just a part of the game that we rarely use.

It"s not illegal - it"s just an opportunity to improve our edge.  John"s example above is exactly the sort of occasion where I would ask for a peek.

[Marty719]

dont think there"s anything wrong with asking to see cards once in a while - and if it puts the other guy on tilt, even better...... just remember that once you"ve asked though, the opportunity is always there for he (and others) to ask you to show cards out of spite.  

I don"t think it"s like slowrolling at all. It"s just a part of the game that we rarely use.

It"s not illegal - it"s just an opportunity to improve our edge.  John"s example above is exactly the sort of occasion where I would ask for a peek.

Surely slowrolling is not illegal and improves our edge.................

[scjn01]

So does nobody who says it"s bad etiquette look at Hand History online to see what other people call your bets with?  By looking at HH, am I accusing these people of collusion?  The information is given freely by the online poker sites.  Should information that you obtain from this not be used to help improve your chances of winning?  

[Marty719]

Checking hand histories is discreet.  If sum1 makes a huge bet in the late stages of a tourney w/ A high and gets called, it"s pretty d*cky to not just let them muck rather than rubbing salt in the wounds.

[TheSnapper]

Strongly disagree MintTrav.  Think etiquette is a fairly essential thing to be aware of in a game where the laws have not been standardised.

Would you consider it bad etiquette to muck your hand when called, its from this point on that, asking to see what you paid to see becomes an issue. Its a kind of " its bad etiquette to pull someone for bad etiquette" scenario.

By the way, what came first, the Chicken or the Egg?

[kinboshi]

[Marty719]

Def dnt consider it bad etiquette to muck your hand wen called if u have no show-down value.  What does it achieve tabling 7-high.  Then its just rubbing salt in the wounds to ask to see it. 

To be honest Im surprised so many ppl r saying its ok.  I would have thought it went against the "apat spirit."  Maybe Im just against it cos Im usually the one with 8 high that just wants to muck and move on.

[MintTrav]

If sum1 makes a huge bet in the late stages of a tourney w/ A high and gets called, it"s pretty d*cky to not just let them muck rather than rubbing salt in the wounds.

What about the guy who doesn"t get called and then shows his bluff? I understand the strategic advantages of this, but surely it is a much worse example of rubbing salt in the wounds.

[Marty719]

Also pretty dicky, and just silly for the most part as its giving away free information.  Doesnt justify getting ppl to turn over hands they want to muck.

[mattblue]

wats the muck woop woop just set him allin woop woop if he calls u see his 7 high

[Delboy]

Def dnt consider it bad etiquette to muck your hand wen called if u have no show-down value.  What does it achieve tabling 7-high.  Then its just rubbing salt in the wounds to ask to see it.  

To be honest Im surprised so many ppl r saying its ok.  I would have thought it went against the "apat spirit."  Maybe Im just against it cos Im usually the one with 8 high that just wants to muck and move on.

This

No its not against the rules, but neither is pulling your shirt over your head and doing a lap of honour!!! We don"t do it because its rude and we are never rude to people who give us money!

[Delboy]

If you ask to see another players hand, he just might have a winner and his hand is live again. Be warned.

and this!

[deanp27]

did a long response to this on my lunch hour at work and then the net went down so couldn"t post

This is my opinion and not the letter of the law, but i think asking for players to show when someone has mucked their hand and giving you the pot is bad form/poor etiquette.

i am with Marty on this one and requests to see my cards when i have mucked have happened more than once when playing APAT events and i am not a big fan when people keep requesting it.

[Paulie_D]

There"s an idea circulating around various forums (at least that I"ve read) that the rules should be changed so that AT SHOWDOWN ALL cards MUST be turned over.

In fact, I"ve seen this enforced at a couple of casinos in the UK (on the APAT trail). No mucking about, everyone table your hand and the dealer pushes the pot and moves on.

No arguments about who shows first, asking to see those cards etc....bam, problem solved!