OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS

[bear21]

totally agree with the last post,
but at the moment I would not ask to see the others hand but if they asked to see mine I"m ok with that , part of the game!! just show and get on with it, THAT"s POKER lol

[smileriraq]

very interesting discussion , not sure where i stand on it but im guessing if ive called you ive paid to see your cards then I guess its only right to show them.


somebody mentioned hand checking hand histories online which is something i regularly do , i wont mention it to the other players unless they try to pass off that they had something other than they had. Is that wrong??

[SirPercival]

I thought there was an APAT rule on this saying that all cards must be shown at showdown.

Ian - where are you???

[Paulie_D]

very interesting discussion , not sure where i stand on it but im guessing if ive called you ive paid to see your cards then I guess its only right to show them.

Although I used this expression, it"s actually misleading. What I"ve done is paid to see if my hand beats the Villains.

If the villain chooses not to show me his cards and surrender the pot, I"m not bothered about what he had.

That said, I"m of the opinion, as I posted before, that all cards should be turned over at showdown. I didn"t before I started live poker but once you get involved in a few, "Show first"; "No, you first" arguments that hold up everything for minutes on end, you soon change your mind.

Of course, I"m old and don"t have that much time left.

[Paulie_D]

I thought there was an APAT rule on this saying that all cards must be shown at showdown.

Ian - where are you???

You could be right but I think it"s that you have to show both cards to win the pot.

Come to think of it, didn"t there used to be a list of rules on the old site?

[Class]

I think now is a good time to post this old chestnut:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

[Paulie_D]

All cards will be turned face up once a player is all in and all action is complete.

And, "PRESTO"...there is something in the RULES but it only covers being all-in.

[BOINGBLITZ]

Thought this one might provoke some debate !!
I agree that the rules should be changed so that BOTH players MUST show BOTH cards when a hand goes to showdown.
As for the talk about if it is right or wrong, well if I call the floor and he said it is right, how can it be wrong ??!!
I had a clock called on me at the GUKPT Blackpool after THIRTY SECONDS of thinking and that was by a so-called "Pro" player ......... now THAT should not have been allowed......IMO.
But when I ask to see a players cards it is for the info only and I do not agree at all that it is bad form to do so.

[Robbiebox]

I didn"t before I started live poker but once you get involved in a few, "Show first"; "No, you first" arguments that hold up everything for minutes on end, you soon change your mind.

Totally agree with you on this.

These arguments simply shouldn"t happen if you have a strong dealer who controls the action and showdown properly. There is a set order to showdown but I so rarely see Dealers (or players) enforce it properly.

[Marty719]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15/poker-theory/poker-etiquette-mucking-during-showdown-703573/

Pretty much all covered here in many ways from many different angles.  If u move me in with 7 high and I call u with middle pair BoingBlitz, do u not think it wud b bad form of me to say, "No...I want to see that hand."  Thats just embarassing sum1 and rubbing salt in the wounds.  U already know they were betting fairly light.  Just rake the chips and move on to the next hand imo.

[smileriraq]

given the varying opinions on this thread by experienced players who i presume have put some thought into their posts Id hate to see this argument happen live when emotions were running high.

[Paulie_D]

Live it doesn"t happen very often that someone asks to see the hand precisely because most players know it"s considered bad form. If they do ask, it"s up to the house rules.

I"ve seen some d-bag ask, the dealer turn over the hand only to find out that the mucking player had mis-read their hand and it was a winner.

Pot shipped to mucker and the d-bag "asker" went nuts. Cue security being called and d-bag being 86"d. Serves him right.

As I"ve mentioned before, the INTENTION behind the rule (originally) was to ensure that there was no collusion. Since then it"s been watered down so that people ask for information purposes which is a new phenomenon.

I blame the interwebz.

ALL HANDS OVER AT SHOWDOWN PLEASE...start the poll for adding this to the APAT Rules.

[keith101]

ALL HANDS OVER AT SHOWDOWN PLEASE...start the poll for adding this to the APAT Rules.

+1

this would make the game a lot faster and stop people arguing about bad etiquette

[BOINGBLITZ]

Agree with Paulie.....lets make this an APAT rule.

[Marty719]

I actually think it shud b a rule tht players r allowed to muck if they want  I dnt wana have to auto-show down my entire river-betting range wen I am called.