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OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« on: February 24, 2010, 13:01:10 PM »
Just catching up on old DVD"S and saw Andy Greekfish get slated for twice asking to see someone"s cards at the showdown. Then Phil Laak did the same to Simon Zach and everyone got uppity about it.
 I have been attacked myself at the Champion Of Champions event and had to call the floor to force one guy to show.
My point is.....why do people think that this is bad form to do this ?
If you think someone was at it then why SHOULDN"T you ask to see their hand ?
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 13:32:40 PM »
 i myself dont think its bad form too be asked ,and why shouldnt u ask it can affect your whole thinking about ,id rather be shown a bluff myself,fair play too the guy or girl bluffing xx

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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 13:42:30 PM »
Rubs salt in the wounds....just let them muck and move on to next hand.  Pretty low in general.
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 13:48:04 PM »
if asked to show then tuff u ave to show.... if ur prepared to bluff and then get caught so be it... nothing low about it in the slightest  
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 13:50:52 PM »
It is considered bad etiquete as you"ve won the pot so what the cards were are really irrelevant but you (or anyone else at the table for that matter) has the right to ask.

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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 13:51:19 PM »
It"s low to ask.
If asked u have to show.
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2010, 14:25:20 PM »
If I"m called, I table my hand..job done.

If I"m calling your hand, muck it or table it, I don"t care.

I reserve the right to muck my hand when you show me a winner. I paid to see your cards, you didn"t pay to see mine.

If you ask to see another players hand, he just might have a winner and his hand is live again. Be warned.


I see no reason to see someone else"s hand UNLESS I suspect collusion (which is the only reason the rule was invented).

With tourneys and APAT especially, I don"t see this as being necessary.
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2010, 14:27:12 PM »

It is considered bad etiquete as you"ve won the pot so what the cards were are really irrelevant but you (or anyone else at the table for that matter) has the right to ask.


With the caveat that their reason should be that they suspect collusion. Asking for information gathering purposes should be  discouraged with a kick in the nuts.
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2010, 14:32:38 PM »

With the caveat that their reason should be that they suspect collusion. Asking for information gathering purposes should be  discouraged with a kick in the nuts.


Which is why its bad etiquette, if asking I always say "Can I see the cheats cards please?"  ;D

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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 15:03:38 PM »
Have to laugh when people start talking about etiquette, as if we are participating in a Georgian society event, instead of a feckin poker tournament.

Don"t usually do it but, just before the end of Day 1 at the European event in Luton, I asked to see a player"s cards after one particular hand. He had been raising like a maniac for the previous six hours and had got away with collecting numerous pots without being called, so his cards hadn"t been seen. When I called him in this hand, I asked to see his cards, really just to confirm what I already strongly suspected, ie that he had been raising with junk. Another player, who had just joined the table, objected quite vociferously and we exchanged a few ill-chosen words. I didn"t know this player but have since discovered that he is very well known on Blonde and elsewhere. Anyway the point is that he knew nothing of the history of the table but was happy to stick his beak in where it wasn"t wanted and quote "etiquette". Etiquette Schmetiquette! I had my reasons, which he knew nothing about, and they were nothing to do with suspecting cheating.

Not that I"m one to bear a grudge or anything!
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 15:06:14 PM »
Strongly disagree MintTrav.  Think etiquette is a fairly essential thing to be aware of in a game where the laws have not been standardised.

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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 15:09:39 PM »

Have to laugh when people start talking about etiquette, as if we are participating in a Georgian society event, instead of a feckin poker tournament.


Generally speaking I maybe slightly agree but in this case its very valid imo.

The rule is there as stated to stop collusion, not for collecting information, so by asking to see you are flat out accusing him of collusion.

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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 15:15:26 PM »


Have to laugh when people start talking about etiquette, as if we are participating in a Georgian society event, instead of a feckin poker tournament.


Generally speaking I maybe slightly agree but in this case its very valid imo.

The rule is there as stated to stop collusion, not for collecting information, so by asking to see you are flat out accusing him of collusion.


Eh? Who was he colluding with - himself? He certainly didn"t take in the way you are suggesting.
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2010, 15:26:01 PM »
cards go to showdown wether i called or was called if i want to see  em then see em i will its not poor anything if i feel i need info ala   mint trav etc    im not infering collusion
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Re: OPINIONS ON SHOWING CARDS
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2010, 15:28:33 PM »
So u r going against etiquette to gain info and improve ur chanced of winning?

Can I slow-roll u to put u on tilt and increase my chances of winning?
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