Omaha NL Hand

[Chipaccrual]

[Paulie_D]

Leaving aside that NL Omaha is an abomination, we"ve whiffed this so much and are OOP.

We have no real draws to speak of and the one draw that we do have isn"t even remotely close to the nuts.

Check fold.

[MintTrav]

How are you playing this post flop ?

Slowly - we aint beating much.

[AMRN]

that"s what you get for playing a hand with a dangler!!  

[Chipaccrual]

The way I looked at it, either he had aces, a drawing hand, or worse, BOTH.

Based on his flat call to my preflop raise, I"ve put him on a drawing hand.  Probably flush, unlikey to be straight, but who knows.

My options are :-

Check.  Do I want to give him a free card ?  Or if he bets, am I calling ?

Raise.  With 9k back, pot of 7k, I"m effectively committing myself with any reasonable raise.

All-In.  Can he call if he"s drawing ?   Is he already ahead ?

[coprey]

Yes, No, Yes, Yes

[MintTrav]

I"m putting him on  :as: ::

[deanp27]

lol not only is it NL Omaha but it has antes as well! not sure on strat as never played it. But surely opening stack sizes are important.

given stack sizes etc there is no point in opening this hand to create this pot size if we are going to check/fold almost every flop that doesn"t "improve" our pair of kings. Therefore i think the decision is to fold pre or decide to with the hand on a reasonable flop.

can"t bet/fold and given the standard of preflop hand selection here the guy will go with QQxx and JJxx etc so i would bet/call the hand.


Given stack size and fact there is antes, open shoving pre is an option as well. But opening and just giving up on almost any flop just seems terrible stack management to me.

[AMRN]

fact is, you aren"t actually beating very much with your one pair now, and on this board you don"t have any draws to improve with - you"re in bad shape here.

Agree with Dean - given this is NL, and the size of the pot with blinds and antes - a preflop shove is probably the better move here....      if it was NLH, and you had a very marginal hand (which is what AKK4 is!), you wouldn"t think twice about open shoving 16 BBs here.

[Chipaccrual]

I went for the shove all-in. Perhaps I should have done that preflop, but so be it.


Let"s now flip the perspective.


iaf171 was holding qs th  :as:

The pot is 16k.  It"s 9k of your 13k stack to call.  The board is  ::


Do you call ?

And what if you knew my hand was kc kh ac ?   Would you make the call ?

[deanp27]

don"t worry what villain"s would/should do. he is not flat calling with that hand pre to fold the nut flush draw on the flop so i think so you are unlikely to illicit a fold. He isn"t to know that his overs aren"t that live and that he probably isn"t getting the right price.

unlucky

[coprey]

Yes, call.

[AMRN]

having fished a bit, he"s never folding when he flops the but flush draw.