APAT events in Europe

[AMRN]

this has to be a good thing for an organisation that wants to represent Amateur poker players worldwide as an association and as a live poker offer, with no registration fees (which stunned the Austrian players) added values, great structures.

APAT is a force for good, and not just in the UK

this, especially the bit in bold.

[gerry5421]

Glasgow. No event venue wanted us

Edinburgh. The Gala Maybury was extremely poor last year

Scotland is THE trickiest place to arrange.




maybe that will change afer this year aberdeen being moved to international , i beleve Alea is owned by the same people maybe they would like us next year .

[gerry5421]

Locations of UK events are never going to please everyone but I was at Walsall last year and it was dire (and Manchester is the worst G in the UK) so I think Coventry could be a welcome addition.  One thing that always gets me is there is a gang of players who regulary travel from the North East to events, always laughing, smiling and having a good time and there are also regular players from Scotland and Ireland they never complain about locations and they have the most travelling to do.

shame there isnt a DTD in every town lol , would love one up here in scotland

[BOINGBLITZ]

From the general tone I guess I was in the minority then. Why not get rid of some of the English events in S4 so u can branch out into more countries ?
 Oh...... and does anyone care who won today ?

[Swinebag]

Why not get rid of some of the English events in S4 so u can branch out into more countries ?

Cant think of a good reason for getting rid of the present tourneys  - just good reasons for adding new ones in different countries

 Oh...... and does anyone care who won today ?

Well I reckon. the winner, his friends and his family

In fact, similar groups of people to those who cared when you won in Ireland last year, Brian

[BOINGBLITZ]

Rob....we ALL rail these tourneys usually. Did anyone really care who won once Paul, Ger and the others went out ?. My guess is no......and for me that is a great shame.
 I just think these tourneys mark a change in APAT's direction, be it good or bad. I think it is bad.

[AMRN]

Rob....we ALL rail these tourneys usually. Did anyone really care who won once Paul, Ger and the others went out ?. My guess is no......and for me that is a great shame.
 I just think these tourneys mark a change in APAT's direction, be it good or bad. I think it is bad.

Brian, granted that not too many of the current regulars were overly bothered about who won once our compratriots were knocked out, but I"m sure there were plenty of others who did care. So long as the current APAT community doesn"t suffer through a decrease in the volume of Nationals, expanding APAT into other territories is surely a good thing?  Next year, perhaps a bunch of Austrians will be watching out of the S5 announcements with the same anticipation that we did for S4, and maybe some will look to come to the UK to participate in those events that are local to you and I.

I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker. The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

imo it"s all good.

[MintTrav]

I think it is bad.

imo it"s all good.

imo it is irrelevant.

So long as the current APAT community doesn"t suffer through a decrease in the volume of Nationals, expanding APAT into other territories is surely a good thing?

Why?

I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker.

Why?

The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in.

To tell you the truth, I don"t give a stuff whether the masses in Austria have value poker at an affordable buy-in.

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

This is the crux, imo. I"m sure expansion is good for the APAT organisation. If the UK players get fewer tournaments as a result, it would be bad. If we are not affected it is irrelevant.

[Waz1892]

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

This is the crux, imo. I"m sure expansion is good for the APAT organisation. If the UK players get fewer tournaments as a result, it would be bad. If we are not affected it is irrelevant.

The only slight downside to this would be the players vying for the leaderboard for the live league, and not getting the opportunity to play in all the games than other people could...so potential for the "elite" with bigger bankrolls, to have a better chance to win the whole league.  

[AMRN]

So long as the current APAT community doesn"t suffer through a decrease in the volume of Nationals, expanding APAT into other territories is surely a good thing?

Why?

APAT is an excellent concept. Why do you advocate keeping it UK only? Why not expand to other countries and share the benefits? If we araen"t careful here, we will start sounding American, where our sport is based entirely in our country but called the World Series. Poker is a global game..... there are Amateur poker players all over the world - let"s standardise Amateur poker using the APAT concept.   To answer your question with a question... why not?

I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker.

Why?

Again, to answer your question with a question..... why do you think it would be good to reserve all that is good about APAT for the UK only?

The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in.

To tell you the truth, I don"t give a stuff whether the masses in Austria have value poker at an affordable buy-in.

A bit narrow minded?

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

This is the crux, imo. I"m sure expansion is good for the APAT organisation. If the UK players get fewer tournaments as a result, it would be bad. If we are not affected it is irrelevant.

Indeed, but actually not irrelevant if your are Austrian, Estonian, or Spanish!


John, I presume you enjoyed the European team game last year? Would have been a bit naff if it was UK countries only, don"t you think?   I bet we get Austrian representation this year.

[Jon MW]

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

This is the crux, imo. I"m sure expansion is good for the APAT organisation. If the UK players get fewer tournaments as a result, it would be bad. If we are not affected it is irrelevant.

The only slight downside to this would be the players vying for the leaderboard for the live league, and not getting the opportunity to play in all the games than other people could...so potential for the "elite" with bigger bankrolls, to have a better chance to win the whole league.  

I touched on that in my earlier response.

To play in every tournament, even if every tournament was only held in the UK, would be fairly expensive - I think most of the APAT membership membership couldn"t afford to do it (even if they could take time off work for the inevitable Friday and/or Mondays needed for travelling).

So yes, it does damage the set of players who could afford all the UK tournaments but not all the overseas ones as well - but that"s a pretty small minority and I don"t think restricting the geographical spread of the tour and the general growth of APAT just for those few players would really be fair.

[bear21]

Just my two pence worth !
Not bothered if we have european games in other countries as long as we don"t lose any games in the UK, which this season hasn"t happened ( well done Betfair ) I can"t afford to play in any euro games due to cost  which I think is also the majority of Apaters ??, My only gripe is the PRO league which is effecting the amount of players that cant play the normal tourneys, we should either get rid of this or somehow change the dates etc ?? so that more of us can play, its a good idea but annoying when you cant get a seat due to numbers being reduced ! Also from the number of players playing the pro doesn"t seem to be a big hit yet !!

[daveyb147]

Just my two pence worth !
Not bothered if we have european games in other countries as long as we don"t lose any games in the UK, which this season hasn"t happened ( well done Betfair ) I can"t afford to play in any euro games due to cost  which I think is also the majority of Apaters ??, My only gripe is the PRO league which is effecting the amount of players that cant play the normal tourneys, we should either get rid of this or somehow change the dates etc ?? so that more of us can play, its a good idea but annoying when you cant get a seat due to numbers being reduced ! Also from the number of players playing the pro doesn"t seem to be a big hit yet !!

       Wise words !!!! not a fan of the pro league,,,,main event all day long for me lol,,,,,oh and for wot its worth i like the live streaming,,,,,watched the welsh all day long !!!!!

[KarmaDope]

Many different points brought up here, some good, some not so good imo but that"s MY opinion.

Pro League: Detracts too much from APAT. APAT is an AMATEUR tour, it says so in the title, so why do we have a "Pro League"? I think the Pro-Am events that were held in earlier seasons would be more suitable.

Live Streaming: The live streaming is a good addition but I disagree with people that seem to be hinting to focus on one or the other. On Day 1, Nutz TV tend to focus on one table and there are 19 other tables that would be missed if we focused on streaming rather than text based updates. The text updates are definitely still needed.

We haven"t lost any dates in the UK this season so I don"t really understand why people are complaining. Personally, I"d abandon the whole "Live League" concept as this can put a few people off, and then the money saved from that could be used to either enhance the current tournament offerings or have an extra tournament?

[MintTrav]

APAT is an excellent concept. Why do you advocate keeping it UK only?

why do you think it would be good to reserve all that is good about APAT for the UK only?

Any other views of mine you want to imagine, cos you imagined both of those. Talk about putting words in someone"s mouth - I"ll get Adam "Don"t tell me what I think" Boulton to sort you out.

I"m not in favour of European events, but I"m not against them either - I"m indifferent about them. I guess whoever goes to Spain will have a great time, and we have the option to go to the others, so that would make me a bit in favour. Also, if it strengthens APAT, we may benefit indirectly. Apart from that though, they don"t have any effect on us, so I don"t see them as a problem, but I don"t see them as part of a mission to spread great poker structures round the world either.

The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in.

To tell you the truth, I don"t give a stuff whether the masses in Austria have value poker at an affordable buy-in.

A bit narrow minded?

Don"t see why. Are you really interested in whether players in every country in the world have a good structure, etc? I don"t believe it. Why stop at Austria if you are so concerned about it? Let"s do our bit to make sure that the players in Turkey have good overlays. And are there enough deep-stacked tournaments in The Philippines? It"s not our issue to sort out.

The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.

I wasn"t aware that standardising the rules throughout the world was one of the purposes of APAT. First I"ve heard of it.

Having this event in Vienna has not decreased the amount of local opportunity we"ve had compared to last season - so I can"t see how it can be a problem.

This is the crux, imo. I"m sure expansion is good for the APAT organisation. If the UK players get fewer tournaments as a result, it would be bad. If we are not affected it is irrelevant.

Indeed, but actually not irrelevant if your are Austrian, Estonian, or Spanish!

I"m not.

John, I presume you enjoyed the European team game last year? Would have been a bit naff if it was UK countries only, don"t you think?

Eh? Bit of a non-sequitur.

I"m not sure how we"ve got into this Steve, as I"m not opposed to your view. Good luck with your mission for world peace.