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[Jon MW]

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Amateur thing may be a problem for this one though

As well as generating traffic for the APAT forum, this is the most compelling argument I see for password protection.

[APAT]

If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult.  There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.

[GiMac]

Buy in at $75-100 too cheap IMHO. Should be £75 i.e. $150 at least, since this is the standard buy in for Live Events.

Other than that looks great.

After all if there are 1000 runners as everyone seems to think, at $150 buy in, this would actually generate enough $$$$$ for 12 WSOP ME packages of $12500 each!!!!!

How fantastic would that be, to have 12 x APAT members playing in WSOP Main Event?

I presume though that every check will be made to make sure that those who are playing are indeed amatuers.

Correct me if I"m wrong but, its not a satellite. Money collected will be paid out using whatever payout structure is in place. The WSOP main event seat is added as extra by our kind sponsors BSQ.

Yes but then that is ante APAT ethos surely?

1000 runners, tbh I dont think that many will be entered, at $150 makes prize pot $150k.  WSOP Seat added to 1st prize then becomes somewhat mute as 1st prize $$$$ would then be in region of $30-40k.

A detailed payout structure will have to be made public prior to event because I would play it anyway for the $$$$, the WSOP seat wouldn"t really figure in my decision to play or not, thereby negating our sponsors involvment.

Also the $$$$ then become more important than the title, imho. Which kind of negates the whole thing as an event.

[Jon MW]

If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult.  There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.

Can I do it?

Can I get a big lamp to shine in their faces whilst I interrogate them?

oh go on?

[kinboshi]

If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult.  There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.

Can I do it?

Can I get a big lamp to shine in their faces whilst I interrogate them?

oh go on?

You"d could just tell them about your Razz tourney in Vegas.  They"d give in and tell you everything pretty quickly. 

[APAT]

The interviews will be for the website, magazines and perhaps TV, we will not be interrogating to find out whether the player is a pro!  But I suspect it will become clear if he / she is.  Perhaps by the third nail.....

[Geo]

If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult.  There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.

And create another headache for yourselves if someone is then deemed ineligble. Where would you find the time to this? Would you then offer the seat to the 7th place finisher, ignoring the fact that this individual would have had an effect on many others playing the tourney.

It"s either everyone plays or password protected, passwords forwarded to all members by email, not posted on the forum.

I don"t really mind one way or t"other. Just don"t want to see you creating more work for yourselves.

Good work with the tourney tho IMHO.

Geo.

[Jon MW]

So you"re not ruling out a polygraph?

("Are you now, or have you ever been, a sponsored professional?)

[GiMac]

So you"re not ruling out a polygraph?

("Are you now, or have you ever been, a sponsored professional?)

they couldnt ask that question, as it may rule out a previous APAT Live Event winner.  ;-)

[Foggy]

It"s either everyone plays or password protected, passwords forwarded to all members by email, not posted on the forum.

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I agree totally,and lets not forget that the members did actually pay for the privilege of being members in season 1. Therefore why should someone who plays on BSQ take the cream of last seasons cake.

[GiMac]

I agree totally,and lets not forget that the members did actually pay for the privilege of being members in season 1. Therefore why should someone who plays on BSQ take the cream of last seasons cake.

That is actually a very good point!!!!  

[SteveTheRake]

I agree, should be password protected.

[Buck Pete]

when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.

I"m sure we"d notice Barry Greenstein in a Groucho Marks nose and glasses disguise.

What official rules and regulations are in place when a well known Pro shows up at the final table?

[APAT]

Say what you will, but the day APAT starts to turn new members away will be the day that the ethos behind the organisation dies.  Anyone in this thread who has suggested that we make this a closed event should think hard about that. 

Just because someone has not heard about APAT yet, does not make them "undeserving" of joining us or being able to see the value in what APAT does. 

One of the things that most pleases the team about APAT is that although there can only be one winner at our events, nearly everyone leaves happy.  We all work hard to create that and it would be a shame to start excluding players for the wrong reasons now.

[Jon MW]

So can I be APAT's, "Pro Finder General", or not?

I"ll provide my own ducking stool  

(if they float, they must be a professional - then we can symbolically burn their stake money at the stake)