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[kinboshi]

I don"t think anyone wants to "exclude players for the wrong reasons" Des.  Everyone who has expressed an opinion on this has put a good reason for their point of view.

For the long-term growth and development of APAT, it makes perfect sense to allow all to enter.  That can only be good for the future.  Many are looking at it from the point of view that it"s not about the future of APAT (as we"ve started Season 2 now), but about the appropriate way to end Season 1. 

I can see both points of view.  Without the Season 1 players, Season 2 wouldn"t be what it is.  Without APAT and the work of Des, Rich and others, then Season 1 wouldn"t have happened.

It"s unfortunate that there were obstacles that prevented this event from happening earlier.  I know Des has worked hard to get round them.  If it had fallen under the auspices of PokerStars then we wouldn"t be discussing this now.  However, for Season 2 to be what it is (and what it"s going to be) - BlueSQ (and the Rank group) were needed.  Their interests need to be catered for as well.

No solution is ideal for all.  

[APAT]

IMO, the key reason for wanting to exclude additional players is to increase one"s chance of personal success.  Anything else is smoke and mirrors.  On a personal level, we are all competitive and I"m not saying that wanting to take this approach is wrong.  However, I do not believe it is the APAT way.

Season One / Season Two, I think it"s largely immaterial.  This event is being held in a few weeks time and had it been held as a completely live event, who is to say that the key leaders of the Season One rankings would have made it into the field?

This issue is also not related to PokerStars, Blue Square or any other third parties.  It is important for the future relevance of APAT that the organisation grows and we are the ones driving that growth.

[GiMac]

Ok I agree, the horse has bolted on season 1 and we have what we have.

Can someone address my two points please?

1.     I think $75-100 is too cheap for an event of this standing and buy in should be at least the buy in for any of the live events £75 i.e. $150, if not slightly more noting the prestige of the event.

2.     Can we also get confirmation of prize structure for tournament, noting that the prize fund could easily exceed $150k?

Cheers

[APAT]

Ok I agree, the horse has bolted on season 1 and we have what we have.

Can someone address my two points please?

1.     I think $75-100 is too cheap for an event of this standing and buy in should be at least the buy in for any of the live events £75 i.e. $150, if not slightly more noting the prestige of the event.

2.     Can we also get confirmation of prize structure for tournament, noting that the prize fund could easily exceed $150k?

Cheers

Both still to be determined.  I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team.  

[Jon MW]

Also what will happen  in the event someone reaches the final 6 online but can"t make it to the live final?

[APAT]

We will ensure that everyone knows there is a live final attached to this event, prior to their entering.  If they enter and then cannot make the final I guess they will be blinded out.

[GiMac]

Both still to be determined.  I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team. 

Not sure I understand your logic here.

£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event? It"s the same amount!!!!

I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.

What does everyone else think?

[George2Loose]

I think this is an EXCELLENT idea- really looking forward to it. I don"t care about the size of the field or the politics- bring on the pro"s

[Ripple11]

Both still to be determined.  I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team. 

Not sure I understand your logic here.

£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event? It"s the same amount!!!!

I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.

What does everyone else think?

yep should be at least $150.

[AllanD23]

Both still to be determined.  I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team. 

Not sure I understand your logic here.

£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event? It"s the same amount!!!!

I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.

What does everyone else think?

yep should be at least $150.

Well at least i didn"t waste the whole of page 3 of this thread...i think 75 $ is way too cheap...this is the pinnacle of the year, worth at least the same investment as a live national but preferrably a bit more to give it the prestige it deserves. Yes it"s an amatuer title but a few stt satellites could be run to get round the entry fee...and a decent prize fund i"m sure would be used by the winner to help progress his poker as far as it can go...it may end up in a pro career, why not, seems an obvious place for the amatuer world champion to end up..(more than likely my missus would ensure it ended up as a nice xmas for everybody and i"d get a couple of hundred to load into bluesquare for the next few apats :-) )

[ThinkerJE]

This has to be an open event and available to all.

I understand the thoughts of the points leaders and the APAT regulars, I am one myself, however we cannot deny people the chance to participate because they only found out about APAT recently.

Does this mean some players who don"t care about APAT playing for the added value?  Almost definitely yes, but this will always be about when such great value and structures are on offer. 

I understand a huge amount of work and effort has been put in by the team to try and get the World event staged, and due to alot of issues this compromise has been reached.

I am looking forward to an unique event with a massive prize for the winner.

Good luck to all APAT members (old & new) who take part.

[RioRodent]

And there"s me thinking it was all about Titles and Medals?  

[Jon MW]

And there"s me thinking it was all about Titles and Medals?  

... and the Fame and the Glory  

[kinboshi]

...and the Guinness.

[nosey-p]

I just want a free holiday