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TheSnapper

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Re: what do u think?
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2010, 00:09:25 AM »
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basically i quite like durrrs lead and the sizing because if he had a read that Ariel "FoxwoodsFiend" Schneller made a few to many thin river raises then durrr adjusted very well imho... Likewise if Ariel or whoever just calls river then it sets up future plays for durrr... [agree / disagree?]


Thanks for that Noble1, trying to dissect the play of the worlds very best cash game player is a guaranteed fail. Enjoyable though.

Its interesting that Durrrr said he wasn"t sure his play was good in the hand and that he reckoned hero"s play was fine. Possibly just lip service though. Regarding adjusting to hero"s thin value bets, if hero bets thin too often or not often enough, Durrrr will exploit it either way since he adjusts so well and so quickly. Its what makes him such a sick player he is capable of exploiting the smallest of mistakes. Its unbelievable he actually gets guys to play against him.

It was said on the 2+2 thread and I agree, the hero"s river bet is sized around the villains value calling range and as result points to hero"s own hand strength. I spoke with a top player about this recently because I was afraid I was leaking information in this way too, but I play at a level were players are unlikely to pick up on it and exploit it. Though I didn"t pick up on it myself when analysing this hand. I was suprised that hero doesn"t balance his value bet size similarly for thin value bets and Nut hands, If he raises more on the river I don"t think Durrrr makes the sick move on him.

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Meh good one to look at imo , what did u guys think to Ariels bet sizing on the river [agree or disagree?] , would any1 fold river if villain had chosen a check raise river line instead?


I"m not sure the lead raise move is any scarier than a check raise. They both scream so much strength. I suppose by leading he gave the hero more chance to err with his betsize.
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noble1

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Re: what do u think?
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2010, 04:09:51 AM »

I"m not sure the lead raise move is any scarier than a check raise. They both scream so much strength. I suppose by leading he gave the hero more chance to err with his betsize.


i tend to view the check raise oop on the river after the turn has been checked through as a more bluffy range .. as mostly with villains oop with a set say , will lead river perhaps fearing that the river will get checked down , meh all ifs and buts , reads and player tendencies to be taken into account etc etc as ever with the wonderful world of poker there are good articles written but SR"s quote on getting value on the river -
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if your opponent puts in a third raise, you must instantly throw your hand away, as he has you beat.
is a bit absolutist imho...
Foxwoods river bet sizing is i agree too small , again i agree it makes it difficult to get more value from your stronger hands and your thin value/bluffs ... Although i dont think it would deter durrr from making a move , afterall the guy has balls and enough smarts to balance out moves like this if called... Cannot agree that durrr is the best cash game player though :) Ivey all the way imho is way ahead in finding ways to adjust his strategy to get some poor suckers cash :)
Galfond is up there imo , i luv his logic to it all and is more forthcoming to it all in explaining his thoughts..
If anyone has missed it , Galfond has started this - http://www.pokerstatic.com/shows/ , the podcasts are a tad dodgy imho at the moment, but the strategy section has potential...

Heres some of my favourite Galfond articles for those interested - the bottom 2 especially...
http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/poker-players/player-interviews/8836/phil-omgclayaiken-galfond-exclusive-interview.html
http://www.bluffeurope.com/interview/en/Nik-Persaud-meets-Phil-Galfond_6913.aspx
http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazine/You%2Dare%2Dbad%2Dat%2Dpoker%2E%2E%2E%2DYes%2C%2DYou%2DPhil%2DGalfond-1133.htm
http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazine/You%2Dare%2DBAD%2Dat%2DPoker%2DPhil%2DGalfond-735.htm
« Last Edit: June 12, 2010, 04:11:44 AM by noble1 »

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Re: what do u think?
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2010, 11:00:52 AM »
Was it dwan who was the villian?

If so then I"m defo only flatting the river as he appears to have an image of putting others to the sword when raised rather than call himself