Well i did not take an actual position if you should call or fold...
You said you"d call.
...but the cost of the tourny (£75 traveling etc or any amount really ) should never influence your decision ...the decision as i explained should be 100% poker related ...saying i ll fold cost ive been driving for 3 hours is totally the wrong approach
If you don"t care about the money, then ignore it. But the reason I pay £75 to play in a deep-stack, well-structured tournament is not to gamble my tournament life in the first level, calling all-in against what is probably AA.
Queens is a totally different situtation...you can never compare KK and QQ and you do know that....Queens will go in the muck in a second...at best you are looking at 50-50%
The kings will be there just as quick for me.
I do believe that it is essential to accumulate chips early on that will allow you to actual having a shot in winning...If it wrong to call with Kings on the first hand then when is it right to call? 10th hand? 30th? after 3 hours? (apat structure)
It"s probably correct to call all-in with KK when the chip stacks and blind levels dictate that their range is greater than AA. Also, with some knowledge of the player you have a much greater chance of being able to put him on an accurate range.
What i do know, in walsall after 5 hours of play there were 170/200 still in with an average stack of 12 000! The structure suggests that you still have a lot of play after 5 hours and average chip stack...why would you call an all in then?
Average stack is pretty meaningless even after 5 hours. I"m more interested in the size of my stack in relation to the blinds. If I have a stack that"s pretty much average size, but I only have 15BB, then I"m going to be calling all-in with my kings 99.99% of the time pre-flop. In fact my chips will be in the middle before his.
In poker you have to take calculated risks and sadly most of the times the best you can get is roughly 70%-30% in favour preflop in an all in situation (apart from pair over pair)
The risk/reward isn"t right here. If you think you are good enough, why do you want to risk your tournament life so early, when you will have plenty of other opportunities to accumulate chips.
Dont get me wrong...id much rather play a flop with KK througout the tourny not just in the first hand...but if someone moves all in you have to call ...If it is on the first hand and you dont want to risk it then dont...live to fight another day....
First hand, I certainly won"t be calling all-in with KK. Absolutely, categorically, and definitely not.
Once again first hand...no right or wrong decision ...you cannot blame someone for calling ....you cannot blame someone for folding
Calling all-in with KK first hand is wrong in a deep-stack tournament. If someone did call and they were knocked out, then they"d have zero sympathy from me.
Like I said, in a short-stack tournament with a fast blind structure, the call would be easy.
However, if I am lucky enough to wake up first hand with AA in a future APAT National event, I might consider shoving pre-flop if there are lots of others who"d call with kings.