Author Topic: S4 WCOAP - Stud Event  (Read 30425 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

duncthehat

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 440
S4 WCOAP - Stud Event
« on: August 20, 2010, 00:20:03 AM »
Reading in the main thread that the Stud is pot limit????

For a game with so many betting rounds pot limit in the stud variant just turns it into a crap shoot!! because the hand values run pretty close, especially early on, and you rarely get all your money in as a significant favourite unless you have trips.

Pot Limit Stud is rubbish for the same reason that No Limit Omaha is rubbish - it just becomes a crapshoot.

PL Stud quickly decends into a game of who has the hidden trips, and who is foolish enough to call a scary board. Stud games are meant to be played limit.

Can we have some confirmation tighty of what we are actually playing!!
« Last Edit: July 15, 2011, 18:41:22 PM by Chipaccrual »
WSOP 2014 Seniors 207th - A cash at last!
WSOP 2011 Horse just off a cash :(
WSOP 2012 Horse Crap.  Stud Hi Lo 3 off money :(
3 x Horse WCOAP Final Tables
1 x Razz WCOAP Final Table
Apat Series PLO Runner up 2011
3 x APAT NLH Top 10 Finishes

Bainn

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1312
    • The Poker Beard
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 00:28:41 AM »

Reading in the main thread that the Stud is pot limit????

For a game with so many betting rounds pot limit in the stud variant just turns it into a crap shoot!! because the hand values run pretty close, especially early on, and you rarely get all your money in as a significant favourite unless you have trips.

Pot Limit Stud is rubbish for the same reason that No Limit Omaha is rubbish - it just becomes a crapshoot.

PL Stud quickly decends into a game of who has the hidden trips, and who is foolish enough to call a scary board. Stud games are meant to be played limit.

Can we have some confirmation tighty of what we are actually playing!!


Quite sure it was Richard who said it was PL, I"d sooner it be limit but what can ya do ?
  Deepstack champion S2  

stone

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 210
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 01:08:31 AM »
the last APAT stud tourney at the Vic was Limit I am sure?

duncthehat

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 440
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 01:12:20 AM »
Yeah tighty has said pot limit in another thread.

Wanted to open a new thread as my question may have got lost in the thread.

will be over pretty quick if pot limit!!
WSOP 2014 Seniors 207th - A cash at last!
WSOP 2011 Horse just off a cash :(
WSOP 2012 Horse Crap.  Stud Hi Lo 3 off money :(
3 x Horse WCOAP Final Tables
1 x Razz WCOAP Final Table
Apat Series PLO Runner up 2011
3 x APAT NLH Top 10 Finishes

Paulie_D

  • Administrator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6420
  • Travel Guru
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 06:14:57 AM »
I questioned the Pot Limit part and, TBH, if I had known that when it was offered, I probably would have given it a swerve.

With the relatively small stack (6000 IIRC) this will become a shove fest pretty early on.

Tighty....are we SURE that this is Pot Limit? It"s very unusual to have this format....after all the HORSE isn"t PL is it?

If it is PL...them I"m assuming a 2 blind ante with no bring in etc etc?
« Last Edit: August 20, 2010, 06:21:55 AM by Paulie_D »
“Thor has Mjolnir but I have a banhammer. I think I win”

Jon MW

  • Global Moderator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2138
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 06:26:06 AM »
I"m assuming there was a worry about the finishing time, that"s the only reason I can think of that pot limit would be chosen
Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
2011 UK Team Championships: Black Belt Poker Team Captain  - - runners up - -
5 Star HORSE Classic - Razz 2007 Champion
2007 WSOP Razz 13/341

Paulie_D

  • Administrator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6420
  • Travel Guru
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 09:29:36 AM »

I"m assuming there was a worry about the finishing time, that"s the only reason I can think of that pot limit would be chosen


If it is pot limit my guess is that the finishing time will be about 4.30pm
“Thor has Mjolnir but I have a banhammer. I think I win”

AMRN

  • Staker Licensed Player
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5261
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 10:20:26 AM »
The only time Stud really works as a Pot Limit game is on a crazy cash table where gamblers want to shove their money around as fast as possible. 

Stud, and all of it"s variants, are supposed to be skill games, but they can only claim to be this if played with a Limit format.

It was played properly at the Vic two years ago, and the finish time was fine. Not sure why the need to hurry it along (and spoil it) this time round.

Paulie_D

  • Administrator
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6420
  • Travel Guru
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 11:09:18 AM »


Stud, and all of it"s variants, are supposed to be skill games, but they can only claim to be this if played with a Limit format.



+1
“Thor has Mjolnir but I have a banhammer. I think I win”

duncthehat

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 440
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 11:11:06 AM »
I dont think anyone that entered this expected it to be pot limit.  We have what 32 odd players at the moment, it will be over well before midnight as a normal limit event - unless jon woodfield makes it to the heads up!!

as pot limit with that many runners it will last 2 hours, 3 hours tops

WSOP 2014 Seniors 207th - A cash at last!
WSOP 2011 Horse just off a cash :(
WSOP 2012 Horse Crap.  Stud Hi Lo 3 off money :(
3 x Horse WCOAP Final Tables
1 x Razz WCOAP Final Table
Apat Series PLO Runner up 2011
3 x APAT NLH Top 10 Finishes

duncthehat

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 440
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 11:12:52 AM »
Whoever wins will get no credibility.

There title will just be World Amateur Crapshoot Champion
WSOP 2014 Seniors 207th - A cash at last!
WSOP 2011 Horse just off a cash :(
WSOP 2012 Horse Crap.  Stud Hi Lo 3 off money :(
3 x Horse WCOAP Final Tables
1 x Razz WCOAP Final Table
Apat Series PLO Runner up 2011
3 x APAT NLH Top 10 Finishes

gomarrrahh

  • Bronze Member
  • **
  • Posts: 95
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 11:13:21 AM »
 so glad i logged on this morning, was looking around on betfair wiv hope of getting stud seat. can"t work out the holding tank so came on here to see if any1 knows and i find this.

safe to say, i won"t b bothering if its PL.
please tell me the horse disciplines r limit in that event :l
APAT WCOAP Heads Up Champion 2011
APAT UK Final Tablist 2011
APAT Welsh Online Omaha Champion 2010
APAT Season 4 - Five Time Omaha Final Tablist

MintTrav

  • Staker Licensed Player
  • Platinum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4265
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 11:25:23 AM »

Whoever wins will get no credibility.

There title will just be World Amateur Crapshoot Champion


I like the sound of that - might have a crack at it now.
5th place - Portsmouth Snooker Club £10 rebuy

Liz Lieu borrowed my pen - 01/06/2013

duncthehat

  • Silver Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 440
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2010, 11:37:20 AM »


Whoever wins will get no credibility.

There title will just be World Amateur Crapshoot Champion


I like the sound of that - might have a crack at it now.


i knew it was a mistake posting that ::)
WSOP 2014 Seniors 207th - A cash at last!
WSOP 2011 Horse just off a cash :(
WSOP 2012 Horse Crap.  Stud Hi Lo 3 off money :(
3 x Horse WCOAP Final Tables
1 x Razz WCOAP Final Table
Apat Series PLO Runner up 2011
3 x APAT NLH Top 10 Finishes

Bainn

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1312
    • The Poker Beard
Re: Stud Event - Pot Limit?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2010, 13:11:14 PM »



Stud, and all of it"s variants, are supposed to be skill games, but they can only claim to be this if played with a Limit format.



+1


Agree.
  Deepstack champion S2