Live Feed vs. Live updates - Discussion

[Marty719]

or break live feed into segments and put it up - this would make it easier to find certain things.  Each segment could have a very short synopsis of what it contains.

[Paulie_D]

or break live feed into segments and put it up - this would make it easier to find certain things.  Each segment could have a very short synopsis of what it contains.

I think I get what you"re saying but this isn"t practical at the moment. The Live Feed is based on the cameras staying still and focusing on a single table (or perhaps two at a stretch).

If the camera could move from table to table, at will, with a commentator in tow then a recap could be put up on the forum. Just at the moment, it can"t.

[Honeybadg]

... I much preferred the live updates as they were ...

Live feed ... Surreal/vaguely hypnotic experience with Tighty commentating behind me right at the end of day 1B ...

If there is value added to free up then I would ditch the cameras ...

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[AceOnTheRiver]

If you had to choose the Live feed OR the live update...which one, and why?

To this direct question it"s Live Updates for me. It"s a great way to catch up on a tourney you"ve been in as I did when I got home last night and wanted to rail Phil_TC if it was Live Feed only then I would have missed this.

Also if you are not at the tournament you can read the updates thread in the evening as if it were happening live and "catch-up" (like when you used to watch Match of The Day without knowing the score) With the live feed you have to watch the lot and, as commented, you only get the one table with occassional roving commentary.

Lots of valid points have been raised and I have to say the Live Feed is a fantastic addition, but to the direct question of which one and why, It"s the Live Update ftw for me!

[Mikeyboy9361]

The live feed is enjoyable, and gives an impression of the atmosphere, but the updates with hand details was actually a better record of the day, and now with the feed in place very few hand details are posted. So if I had to vote for one or the other I would lose the cameras.

[Des]

There is a valid point that should not be missed.  The live feed gives the opportunity to showcase the sponsor and the event to viewers and potential new members whose attention you will only ever have for a very short period of time.  They would never read the live update thread.  That adds value for the sponsor, and in turn adds value to the events.

[TightEnd]

Just to add, and thank you for all the views, the added complexity here is that Leigh and I might be trying to do a live update or a feed or both..we try to do both...but often admin and organisational stuff gets in the way of being able to give a live update, in particular, full attention. This is especially the case during alternates periods, when side events hit finals/start and towards the end of Day 1.

So its not quite as simple as "One on the feed, one on the update" with the fantastic volunteers doing what they can do around that.

Really the whole issue, over and above cost and providing content that viewers and players want to see, is about the resource we dedicate to live events and what the prioirities are.

It was a simpler world with Live Updates Only, but not necessarily better...once the live feed genie is out of the bottle its not easy to say "right, updates only again"!

I look at the parallel with say AWOP at GUKPTs who have two people full time on the live update (one writing, one photos) and another two full time on the feed (commentator and cameraman/mixing desk) and think they do a pretty good job...but they aren"t helping run the event too.


So these are the issues at hand anyway....certainly to be addressed for Season 5.

[Mikeyboy9361]

There is a valid point that should not be missed.  The live feed gives the opportunity to showcase the sponsor and the event to viewers and potential new members whose attention you will only ever have for a very short period of time.  They would never read the live update thread.  That adds value for the sponsor, and in turn adds value to the events.

Good point, well made!  

[WarBwastardo]

There is a valid point that should not be missed.  The live feed gives the opportunity to showcase the sponsor and the event to viewers and potential new members whose attention you will only ever have for a very short period of time.  They would never read the live update thread.  That adds value for the sponsor, and in turn adds value to the events.

Good point, well made!  

Was just about to say this. It was watching the live feed on Thursday that motivated me to come and play the Pro event on Friday.

[Glorious]

I couldn"t make the Swansea or Aberdeen events this year, and whilst at home, sat and watched the Live Feed avidly - absolutely fantastic!  However, having just got home from DTD, I wanted to recap the week from the Live Update threads, but that"s not really possible.

We need to question and understand who the updates (feed or online) are targetted for.

- If it"s for APAT players then the Live Feed is unnecessary, as APAT players are either playing or are likely to be doing other stuff (the reason why they aren"t playing.

- If it"s for friends and family of APAT players, then the Live Feed works well

Given that the majority of people who will have a real interest in this are the APAT players themselves, I suggest that the Live Update thread carries more value than the Live Feed. Not only does it provide updates along the way for watching interested parties, it also provides a partial record of the event. (I still look back at the Walsall Live Update threads every now and then!)

Also, the Live Update thread is all encompassing - the Live Feed is very focussed at specific tables.....

Lastly, if the Live Feed is to continue, is there any chance that it can be recorded and published for replay?

Steve"s post pretty much covers it for me.

I like retracing the live update thread, whether I have busted out or have missed the whole event: I know I can sit for an hour or so and go through the whole thing. The permanency of this means I go back to this a week/month later.

I did hear Craig from the Canada team asking if there was a dvd of the Team event available afterwards (we laughed at him as this was only after round 2 of 6 max tables lol) and it may be a good idea but how do you edit into a watchable dvd? I think this is impractical.

Having played a few APAT events with the Live Feed I find it"s a bit of a novelty for a while (mates texting u etc) but if I had to choose one or the other it would have to be live updates.

[Foggy]

Having missed the Aberdeen tournament, and watching the live feed, it was nearly as good as being there. I personally like this "live" feeling of watching the action. This new addition has to be better than sitting in front of a laptop pressing F5 every few minutes to see if anything has happened. With the live feed, plus the updates, you have two portals to catch up with.

I would not want to cast my vote on losing one or the other, greedy me would like both to continue.

Thought Tikay did a splendid job last night on the final table, with Simon taking over as the stooge instead of Richard Orford.. The banter was good, the hand guessing- excellant, interviews- not sure, but all in all super coverage, apart from the break in streaming

[George2Loose]

Love the live feed. More please

[lukybugur]

Live Feed is great and even tho I was playing, I missed listening to it at times. I have enjoyed the witty banter of Rich and Leigh so much in the past that I found myself trying to get close enough to them in DTD to hear what I was missing. When sitting within 20 feet, I was trying to lip-read.

Live Feeds are well worth an investment. I think it would be great if that investment was larger as it would allow us to cover more tables / cover the best of the action on tables quicker but, as I don"t know what"s currently being spent and how much it dents the prizepool ... On the other hand, I also think that cutting it back would be a good option, back to Final Day / on the Bubble / Final Table coverage, giving us the best of both - great live updates on the Forum for the masses and well-deserved "TV" coverage for the most successful. Record it, edit it, publish it on the main page / making it available to download for a week would be great! I don"t know if what we"d save would cover possible increase Bandwidth charges ... ?  And / or YouTube it.

I jokingly suggested "APAT Radio" to Des and Rich as we left last night. I would definitely have liked to have listened to radio coverage on the 5 hour journey home. That"s maybe a question to ask Carl / Shogun112 ... is there an App for that ... ?

[SirPercival]

There is a valid point that should not be missed.  The live feed gives the opportunity to showcase the sponsor and the event to viewers and potential new members whose attention you will only ever have for a very short period of time.  They would never read the live update thread.  That adds value for the sponsor, and in turn adds value to the events.

Agreed Des.

What else could you provide with the same money?

[AJDUK]

I watched some of the coverage on Thursday and Friday. The picture quality isn"t great, I couldn"t make out any cards on flops or showdown. I thought tighty"s commentary was great because he puts immense effort into describing the flop etc but others were less descriptive and so harder to follow. Also over time I found myself ignoring the picture and getting on with other stuff whilst just listening to the sound. So for me the picture became irrelevant.

Sometimes the feed froze and often in interviews I could hear the questions but not the answers because the mic wasn"t close enough to the interviewees mouth. Frustrating.

I was to vote one way or the other I"d ditch the live feed as I really like the live updates as a record of the event as many others have said above. Our permanent memory now is more like he"s out she"s out GL to X Y Z can you give me a chip count how do you end a horse tournament bla bla. No jokes no anecdotes hardly any hand history; I really miss those.

+1 to Stuart"s OP.