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Decisions decisions...
« on: September 06, 2010, 14:48:14 PM »
25p/50p Cash game at Casino.

10 handed - it seems I"m the stranger in the game, most of the rest of the table seem to know each other , and the dealers.

I"m UTG but have straddled to £1.

UTG +2 (playing c£150)  raises to £3 which is called to his immediate left (c£35) and by the BB (c£80) - I call (c£130)with  jh 8h (another leak, but the action stops with me and it"s £2 into a pot of £10.25)


UTG has raised infrequently and generally from position and when called to the end showed up with KQ or better
Shortie - has called a lot and folded a lot
BB seems the danger man - LAG style, straddles and then virtually auto-raises - solid c-bets, he"s just announced that he"s recovered from losses he suffered earlier and is £3 up on the day - lol.


Flop is  ad th 7h

BB checks
Orig raiser bets £9 - out of turn claiming not to be able to see my cards... unlikely somehow, he seems to be pretty switched on and a regular
I check
the £9 goes in
Shortie shoves his £30ish in
BB raises to £75
while I"m contemplating which of my outs are good - ie, the straight is almost certainly good, but the flush may not be, the original raiser shoves his money in out of turn again...


thoughts to here???

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 15:07:25 PM »


UTG has raised infrequently and generally from position and when called to the end showed up with KQ or better



I"m assuming that this is meant to be UTG+2 and not yourself?

Oh...and just dump it...you"re only in for £3.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 15:47:49 PM by Paulie_D »
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 15:18:54 PM »
Not a decision in my book, insta fold.
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 15:27:41 PM »

Not a decision in my book, insta fold.


I was going to wait for a few more "easy fold" posts before posting this,

I folded, and maybe it is hindsight that makes me wonder, but...

Original raiser has  :as: kc (no heart), shortie has  td ts (no heart) and BB has  tc 7d (no heart)

This leaves me with 12 hand winning outs any heart plus any of  9d 9c 9s...

£130ish to win c£275 (Orig raiser doubles me up plus the stacks from the other two) 2:1 on a 6:4 chance???


Before anyone accuses me of folder"s regrets, I"d have lost had I called, but it doesn"t stop me wondering

« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 15:30:58 PM by david3103 »
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 15:41:19 PM »


This leaves me with 12 hand winning outs any heart plus any of  9d 9c 9s...



Sorry to nitpick..11 outs.. ah is no good for you.

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£130ish to win c£275 (Orig raiser doubles me up plus the stacks from the other two) 2:1 on a 6:4 chance???


Not the right odds to call for a flush....I think.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 15:46:53 PM by Paulie_D »
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2010, 16:44:37 PM »
keep working on how u read and interpret player styles and there actions post flop David , with a different description of the original raiser i would of said call , your reads on the other two were pretty spot on..
had u seen or can u remember anything that might suggest your read on the original raiser would over value top pair?

[your broad description that u have seen KQ or better by the river isn"t much to go by in terms of fitting the info to put him on a range]

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2010, 16:54:27 PM »
Just to add - it doesnt matter what their actual hands are - just what ranges they have in this spot.  Id fold and be pretty happy about it most of the time.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 17:25:59 PM »
this is a pokerstove moment but without nut draws it is probably a fold, because once you chuck a higher flush draw into one of their holdings you are goosed
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 17:41:30 PM »



This leaves me with 12 hand winning outs any heart plus any of  9d 9c 9s...



Sorry to nitpick..11 outs.. ah is no good for you.

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£130ish to win c£275 (Orig raiser doubles me up plus the stacks from the other two) 2:1 on a 6:4 chance???


Not the right odds to call for a flush....I think.



ah is good enough to win the side pot :-)
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 19:00:16 PM »
If you had 8h 9h then I"d call.

Nothing up with your call pre-flop, not a leak in my book.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 21:40:21 PM »

If you had 8h 9h then I"d call.

Nothing up with your call pre-flop, not a leak in my book.


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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »


If you had 8h 9h then I"d call.

Nothing up with your call pre-flop, not a leak in my book.


have you not got anything better to do with your time right now Daniel?


I"d suggest that Kinboshi used his time to better effect than you...

Thanks for the input folks - I folded and obviously the absence of a heart or a nine on turn and river made that the "right" decision, but I wondered if there was a case for calling. Hindsight suggests it"s just about there for a call (I"m 40% to win the whole pot and 45% to win the second - bigger - pot) but...


Ultimately it comes down to the ranges for the other three players - the shortstack"s shove screamed set of 10s or 7s, BB was my major consideration - I couldn"t be sure if he had the other set or a draw or the two pair he showed up with.
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 16:38:43 PM »
Got to fold imo.
Also give red card to raiser for out of turn play (TWICE!!)
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 16:43:26 PM »
I"d call, but I"m a great big cash game fish

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 17:07:15 PM »
As a side......to those who fold...what do you do w/ KQhh in this spot?
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