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KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« on: September 19, 2010, 14:05:42 PM »
so 5k starting stack. 25/50 blinds. 8 handed.

UTG makes it 125. UTG is a professional who just came back from EPT snowfest and is basically out with his friends for the night and is known to lark about with all kinds of floppable hands, suited connectors and one gappers etc

UTG+1 is a decent player and likes to 3 bet light in position also with suited connecters (for local casino standards) and makes it 300

button who is never 4 betting light but can overplay small/medium pairs and AK/AQ makes it 800


were on BB with KK. whats the play? call or raise? if raise then how much?

my thoughts are obviously raise but i dont want to just shove and get everyone to fold but i want to rais in order to get at least one call or a shove from an overzealous ace or lower pair

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 14:35:48 PM »
think you answered your own question with your reads. You are ahead of 4 bettor"s range so ship your 100 bigs in.

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 15:14:34 PM »
Yea shipping prob looks weaker than making it ~2200.
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 10:39:32 AM »
dont think shipping is best move. Folds out trashy hands thats all.

Reraise to 2000. If you just flat call the 800 likely you"ll be playing a 4 way pot given the other guys" tendencies.

cbet/shove any flop that doesnt contain an ace
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 11:27:49 AM »
What do u think our perceived range is for making it 2k?
What do u think our perceived range is fod shoving?
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 11:29:32 AM »
Shove.  Get called by AA.  Bink the king.
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 11:36:48 AM »
I can"t win with KK at the moment, doesn"t matter what calls me, I loose ..... so in that respect FOLD


duh... nah I"m still playing them, probably reraise about 2200.
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 14:34:15 PM »
I"m not raising 2K+ when I"m starting with 5K plus the ship all in looks much weaker than the raise to 2K in my opinion and more likely to get called with weaker hands. Ship it all in IMO.
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 16:20:10 PM »
Absolutely have to ship....

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 16:41:01 PM »
gonna wait for a few more replies until i finish of the hand - and this aint no bad beat script - just interested in who would raise and how much and who would open shove

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 17:07:13 PM »
Raise to 2500, and shove any flop that doesn"t include an Ace. If you get re popped, which would surely be a push, you can then re evaluate. Question asked and answered, but can you lay your Kings down, don"t think I could.
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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 17:08:19 PM »

Shove.  Get called by AA.  Bink the king.

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 18:07:12 PM »
just shove

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2010, 18:13:20 PM »
All in - but that"s just me

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Re: KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 18:29:29 PM »

Raise to 2500, and shove any flop that doesn"t include an Ace. If you get re popped, which would surely be a push, you can then re evaluate. Question asked and answered, but can you lay your Kings down, don"t think I could.


4B folding KK for 50% of our stack wud be the worst thing of all time.
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