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£7.50 admin fee?!?!
« on: November 13, 2007, 20:07:12 PM »
OK- may have misunderstood this but if you try and get to Manchester and fail via click fest u still get charged 7.50???

Or is this if you get THROUGH the click fest but cancel later?
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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 20:10:33 PM »
This will be if you pull out. They dont charge you an admin fee for getting through click fest and winning a seat

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 20:14:18 PM »
If you pay for a seat at the event and cancel at a later date, the admin fee will be deducted from your refund.  APAT has never charged an admin fee previously, despite advertising one for our last three events.  However, the amount of work required to "manage" late cancellations is becoming way too much.  We will not charge the admin fee if online or regional seats are cancelled for this event, but we will do so for all future events.  This is not a money making scheme (eg, APAT pays nearly £3 for each transaction each and every member puts through our payment server), but with such little time between events, we need to cut down on cancellations and the like.

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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 21:20:58 PM »
Thanks for clarifying that. Fully understand charging if someone cancels. Got my reg in within seconds of it going live. Fingers crossed will get a ticket. AND I WONT BE CANCELLING !!!

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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2007, 09:21:36 AM »
only if you cancel. :-\

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2007, 11:37:01 AM »
That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?
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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2007, 15:01:52 PM »

That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 17:06:50 PM »


That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?


Do I?
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 17:08:35 PM »



That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?


Do I?


As the regional qualifiers have other things to play for.
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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 17:35:04 PM »




That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?


Do I?


As the regional qualifiers have other things to play for.


How does that affect them if they pull out after qualifying for a National?  The £75 refund for their seat would be £65.
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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 17:51:16 PM »





That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?


Do I?


As the regional qualifiers have other things to play for.


How does that affect them if they pull out after qualifying for a National?  The £75 refund for their seat would be £65.



Because they participated in a tournament and won £x... NOT £(x-10).

If APAT are going to go down this road then they must pay out in full at regionals, and then email the top 10% a payment link to take up their seats. As Jon said, the regional tournaments are part of a regional championship... the top 10% win the right to purchase a national seat... it should not be compulsory.

I"m sure you are aware Daniel, that one of tikay"s most strongly held views is that tournament prize pools are sacresanct... what you are proposing ammounts to APAT removing money from the prize pool (albeit after the event).

Online satellites, yes, if need be charge a cancellation fee... Regionals NO, NON, NIET!!!
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 17:59:53 PM »
I"m with you. 

I agree that if they win the right to a seat, that they should be given a certain amount of time to claim that seat, and if they don"t it becomes another available via the click-fest.  Once they take up the seat allocation, then the admin fee for a refund could be implemented.

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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 19:38:15 PM »
Loads of satellites don"t let you cancel your seat if you win.

£7.50 charge if you cancel your seat doesn"t seem that unreasonable for a live tournament.  Most casinos don"t make seats transferrable.

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 19:42:55 PM »

Loads of satellites don"t let you cancel your seat if you win.

£7.50 charge if you cancel your seat doesn"t seem that unreasonable for a live tournament.  Most casinos don"t make seats transferrable.


It"s not a Satellite, per se. If it was a straight forward satellite, with a flat payout, and no other components to prize (points, medals etc), then I would agree.

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Re: £7.50 admin fee?!?!
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 19:47:23 PM »






That"s fair enough. 

Might be an idea to charge an admin fee for qualifiers who subsequently pull out of an event.  Maybe remove £10 of the £75 that is refunded to them?



I assume you mean online qualifiers?


Do I?


As the regional qualifiers have other things to play for.


How does that affect them if they pull out after qualifying for a National?  The £75 refund for their seat would be £65.



Because they participated in a tournament and won £x... NOT £(x-10).

If APAT are going to go down this road then they must pay out in full at regionals, and then email the top 10% a payment link to take up their seats. As Jon said, the regional tournaments are part of a regional championship... the top 10% win the right to purchase a national seat... it should not be compulsory.

I"m sure you are aware Daniel, that one of tikay"s most strongly held views is that tournament prize pools are sacresanct... what you are proposing ammounts to APAT removing money from the prize pool (albeit after the event).

Online satellites, yes, if need be charge a cancellation fee... Regionals NO, NON, NIET!!!


Good post Rio,

During an early discussion on the forum in regards to paying for seats, I had highlighted that taking the fee from the regional pot would cause extra admin if/when someone who had won a seat in a live regional did not want to take up their seat. Agree that all money in prizepool should be paid out and seat winners then state their intention to play and then pay by a link provided.

APAT,

Do we have numbers of live regional seat winners who have in fact not taken up their seats in the national events so far?

Geo