APAT UK Team Championship - January 2011

[MintTrav]

There"s no need for any of this.

The standard is higher now, so none of the old-style BCPC players would get onto the APAT team anyway.

Hope that helps.

[SirPercival]

There"s no need for any of this.

The standard is higher now, so none of the old-style BCPC players would get onto the APAT team anyway.

Hope that helps.

PMSL - always the diplomat John.

[TheSnapper]

They wont, believe me.

Don"t know if you have discussed this with the individuals Brian or it is just your opinion, but, are you making the point that, if, Andy, Steve and Will ( think thats the 3 players?) are chosen for both BCPC and Apat teams, they would refuse the honour to defend the title in favour of the more "prestigeous" berth at Team BCPC.

[Paulie_D]

Tighty said....

Team APAT, as defending champions will be representative of the APAT members.

The APAT forum captain ....will be asked to pick the best team for the purposes of representing the APAT forum well and defending their title

Leigh said....

The captain of the APAT Forum team has got a very tough job on their hands.  They want to pick a team to retain the title, but at the same time I think it is important to have a team that fully represents APAT......I refer to what APAT is about, and that is more than just winners, it"s the community, the friendships and the general good nature that is present in our structure.

Although Steve will (and should) pick players who will have an excellent chance of winning the trophy again,  in my PERSONAL opinion, he should, from that pool, also select players who have demonstrated their support for the APAT community &/or forum by doing more than just turning up and playing.

[MintTrav]

However it would be a great honour to be chosen for the APAT team, or the APAT Champions team. Would be a surprise if anyone turned that down.

Speaking of which, should people who have won one throw their hat into the ring for the APAT team, or is there a separate ring? There would be a hole if they were subsequently picked for the Champions team. On the other hand, if they held off they might end up on no team. It would be better if that team was announced first. I read somewhere that it is mainly being selected on distance travelled (Portsmouth-Bolton 253 miles). It seems to be compulsory on this type of post to state that I am not asking for myself - just worried about all the poor Champions out there who are unsure what to do.

Sorry for boring you all with this issue - I realise that this isn"t a problem for most of you.

[AMRN]

They wont, believe me.

Don"t know if you have discussed this with the individuals Brian or it is just your opinion, but, are you making the point that, if, Andy, Steve and Will ( think thats the 3 players?) are chosen for both BCPC and Apat teams, they would refuse the honour to defend the title in favour of the more "prestigeous" berth at Team BCPC.

2009 I had a great year with APAT, and made the APAT team (deservedly imo)

2010 I had a far less successful year with APAT and have not applied for a place on the APAT team as I don"t deserve one. I have however had a fantastic year with the BCPC and would like to think that I will qualify for a rankings driven place in that team. That said, if I don"t make the BCPC team, I still wouldn"t apply to the APAT team for reasons stated.

I fully understand where Brian was coming from - BCPC does have a strong line up, with several APAT regulars and indeed champions in its ranks - many of whom would have the right to think they are worthy of consideration for a place in the APAT team - loyalty to BCPC would be commendable, but a pain in the ass for those guys who end up falling just outside the rankings driven places meaning they miss out on the event altogether - Brian was simply trying help these people.  .... however, I don"t think he"s gone about it in the most diplomatic or politically correct way, and I can see why it might cause offence to some.    Going forward, I think there is nothing wrong with people chucking their hats into multiple rings...

On a more positive note, BCPC are looking forward to this event, and assuming I can stay in the top8 after the next round of games, will be super-proud to captain them in Bolton. I believe we have the strength in depth to do well at the event, and will give the APAT team, whoever it contains, a run for its money. Personally, I relish the challenge of finishing on the winning team two years running!! Would be nice to get another a team event trophy

[TightEnd]

Leigh is the non-playing captain of the Champions team.

He has discussed with Des/me some names that he is considering....remember that the main criteria is to provide a team for the APAT Champions coming to bolton for the C0fC event and travelling a long way so to do, and who would be unlikely to be in a team otherwise.

Leigh can let us know when he is planning to announce it

[Chipaccrual]

Leigh is the non-playing captain of the Champions team.

He has discussed with Des/me some names that he is considering....remember that the main criteria is to provide a team for the APAT Champions coming to bolton for the C0fC event and travelling a long way so to do, and who would be unlikely to be in a team otherwise.

Leigh can let us know when he is planning to announce it

SOON

[Hammerite]

Perhaps the solution is to forget about the current rankings at Bcpc and just name your team, that way anyone who is not in it can feel free to apply to any other team captain Apat included. Who ever heard of a such a thing as basing picks on current rankings, outrageous  

[Curlarge]

Having read many of these posts, what does stand out is the passion for APAT from the huge majority of it"s members.

I have got to know many of the postees on this thread personally over the past year and without exception have been impressed by your commitment to and enthusiasm for APAT. This type of debate simply shows how much it means to be in Bolton for this most prestigious event, which at the end of the day says it all.

Good luck to all in getting on a team and Happy Christmas.

[TheSnapper]

2009 I had a great year with APAT, and made the APAT team (deservedly imo)

2010 I had a far less successful year with APAT and have not applied for a place on the APAT team as I don"t deserve one. I have however had a fantastic year with the BCPC and would like to think that I will qualify for a rankings driven place in that team. That said, if I don"t make the BCPC team, I still wouldn"t apply to the APAT team for reasons stated.

I fully understand where Brian was coming from - BCPC does have a strong line up, with several APAT regulars and indeed champions in its ranks - many of whom would have the right to think they are worthy of consideration for a place in the APAT team - loyalty to BCPC would be commendable, but a pain in the ass for those guys who end up falling just outside the rankings driven places meaning they miss out on the event altogether - Brian was simply trying help these people.  .... however, I don"t think he"s gone about it in the most diplomatic or politically correct way, and I can see why it might cause offence to some.    Going forward, I think there is nothing wrong with people chucking their hats into multiple rings...

On a more positive note, BCPC are looking forward to this event, and assuming I can stay in the top8 after the next round of games, will be super-proud to captain them in Bolton. I believe we have the strength in depth to do well at the event, and will give the APAT team, whoever it contains, a run for its money. Personally, I relish the challenge of finishing on the winning team two years running!! Would be nice to get another a team event trophy

Nice post Steve.

Firstly, it was not my intention that people should come on here and state publicly which team they"d prefer to represent. If that was perceived by anyone as the message, I sincerely apologise.

That would be very unfair and not the point at all. We are a diverse bunch and as stated earlier personal choices like those are uniquely our own and should imho, remain sacrosanct, never ever be judged, frowned upon, deemed inferior in any way and importantly, never be deemed superior either.

[BOINGBLITZ]

I  never intended to "Seem superior" in any way, if that comment was aimed at me, Brendan, nor was I intending to make out that any (or all) of my players were.
 My ONLY reason behind my original posting was to avoid a nightmare scenario whereby someone in my current top 8 has a bad week at BCPC and drops out, thus being too late to apply to APAT to play for them.
 As I can"t play the event myself I was just looking out for my teammates at the....can I mention this Mrs Moderator .....BCPC.
 If anyone at the......hope this is ok......BCPC.....is good enough to get in the APAT team then they will be chosen. If Steve thinks they are not, then he wont pick them and I have no problem with that.

I am sorry if you think we are getting ideas above our station but if you honestly think that is the case then you don"t know me, or the majority, if not all of the......oh dear.......BCPC.....at all.

At least Don and John can see the funny side (Very subtle Mr Hammerite....I like it !).

We were born through the APAT forum and will continue to use it and if anyone out there has a problem with THAT then maybe YOU should find somewhere else to post.

Good Luck again to Steve and to you all.

[PHIL_TC]

This thread makes me sad. Personally I would rather play for APAT over any other team. Can understand loyalties to other teams of course, but being picked for APAT at the APAT Team Championships would surely be the highest honour possible. I"m sure Steve will have a near enough impossible task as it is picking a side without the minor bickering going on within this thread. Good luck to him I say, pick the best team you can and do APAT proud.

[baldaceguy]

This makes me sad also.About 75% of people who have been in APAT since it was first concieved have got exactly zero chance of playing in this competition for a variety of reasons and yet we have people metaphorically coming to blows over which team they will deign to play in or be chosen for.People keep banging on about the spirit of APAT etc but more and more it seems to be a carve up for the benefit of the "usual suspects".

[MAIR]

oh puleaz Brian, Mrs Moderator...seriously take a look at your posts and tell me I"m wrong, there are well over 25 forums whose members post on APAT and yet they do not go on and on and on about their forum or their teammates or want to be individually singled out, seriously give it a rest