Call?

[pokerpops]

.50/1 Cash at DTD last weekend

I"m villain here - I"ve been active... and I"m playing c £200

£4 raise preflop, can"t remember who made it - it might even have been me in cut-off

Hero has 33

Flop is 3 J J

hero bets £12
villain throws in 5 x £5 chips and says "I meant to make it more"

hero calls, we"re no heads-up

turn K
hero bets £20 - villain calls

river 7
hero bets £40 with about £90 behind

Villain shoves

Hero says "B*ll*cks" and..................  Call??? or Fold?

Will clarify the reason for the question later

[WarBwastardo]

Not a cash player myself, but I"d call this.

You say you were heads-up after flop betting.  How many in hand after the pre-flop betting?

Anyway...I don"t think I put you on any Jack hands here as there"s no need for you to re-pop his flop bet.  No straight or flush draws to protect against, so why risk losing your customer with a re-raise here and a re-raise that wasn"t as big as you meant it to be?

Can"t put you on KK either as re-raising with Kings on that board seems a bit pointless too and if you"ve got sevens well I"ve just jolly well been unlucky.  It"s £90 to win something like £280 so I have to call I reckons.

[TheSnapper]

Lots of info missing, reads, stack sizes, how many to the flop, pot size at each street.

Call, and not even close. I"d want a super strong read on villain to even consider folding. You may be coolered but still lots of hands you beat.

If its boat over boat then the chips should have gone in a lot earlier in the hand. Not a fan of hero"s turn lead, its a geat spot to check raise ai.

[Pitchie]

Those games .50 / 1.00 games at DTD can be quite nitty. His stack size is important but in this game I doubt I ever fold here! JK, J7 - unlucky, "Chips!" He probably has JQ at VERY best imo lol.

[AMRN]

call!  but then I rarely fold to river shoves these days it seems.

if 33 is behind here, it"s just a plain old cooler and 33 is meant to go busto.

[WYoung83]

Those games .50 / 1.00 games at DTD can be quite nitty.

I have never seen a nitty cash game at dtd. When ever i have played, there are players raising and 3 betting before the cards have been delt. Same thing was happning on friday night when i gt knockedout of the GP comp.

Dealer wouldnt let us straddle, so it was like this,  "ok i raise dark UTG, i reraise dark UTG + 2" etc.....

[deanp27]

wtf is the £20 bet on the turn

[pokerpops]

wtf is the £20 bet on the turn

It may have been £30 - looks like pot building and in any event it"s not totally relevant to the question on the river other than the fact that it was called.

[deanp27]

well i"d either min3bet the flop or check-raise the turn.

Calling flop and donk leading the turn can have merit but only against aggressive players. If he is a station bet much more to set up a standard river shove.

however you played the hand (there is some important info missing) i can"t see me folding

[pokerpops]

well i"d either min3bet the flop or check-raise the turn.

Calling flop and donk leading the turn can have merit but only against aggressive players. If he is a station bet much more to set up a standard river shove.

however you played the hand (there is some important info missing) i can"t see me folding

I didn"t play the hand (well - I did, but I didn"t have 33)

My interest is in whether we think 33 is a call on the river?

[AMRN]

I didn"t play the hand (well - I did, but I didn"t have 33)

My interest is in whether we think 33 is a call on the river?

definitely

[deanp27]

getting a huge price and you have a boat, people don"t fold full houses

[pokerpops]

getting a huge price and you have a boat, people don"t fold full houses

They do if Villain (me) mis-hears the sigh of b*ll*cks" as "Call" and flips his KJ over to avoid accusations of slow-rolling...

There goes £90  

[Pitchie]

Those games .50 / 1.00 games at DTD can be quite nitty.

I have never seen a nitty cash game at dtd. When ever i have played, there are players raising and 3 betting before the cards have been delt. Same thing was happning on friday night when i gt knockedout of the GP comp.

Dealer wouldnt let us straddle, so it was like this,  "ok i raise dark UTG, i reraise dark UTG + 2" etc.....

Nitty was probably the wrong word. I always think nitty as in passive / loose, but I think the true definition of it poker wise it is probably best described as tight / weak.

Your example of the 0.50 / 1.00 games is exactly what I was getting at. No live straddle yet they"re prepared to blind bet from UTG+2. How can you even start to figure out where you are in the hand if you"ve been the pre flop aggressor with 100BB? It"s not exactly a skill game I don"t think anyway. FWIW the no straddle and 100BB cap rules are rubbish IMO.

Paul.

[WarBwastardo]

getting a huge price and you have a boat, people don"t fold full houses

They do if Villain (me) mis-hears the sigh of b*ll*cks" as "Call" and flips his KJ over to avoid accusations of slow-rolling...

There goes £90  

Shame you weren"t up against RioRodent, he"d have still called