apat structure

[Robbiebox]

Great W/end, The Fitz were very friendly bunch locals and dealers alike. The standard of dealing was the best I have come across anywhere too.

The structure is great and perfect for most of us holding regular Mon-Fri jobs.
However and here is the but, there is a point that a few I talked to in Dublin also couldn"t understand and I think should be considered:

The tournament stops too soon on the Saturday night, I can not understand why the tourney doesn"t play down to the cash positions.

1. It seems harsh to be asked to hang around ( or drive back a couple of hours) until half way thru the next afternoon when very short stacked and forced to push within a couple of hands and receive no reward/prizemoney.

2. This would also help the tourney finish earlier on the Sunday and allow people chance to get home for the Monday more comfortably.

[onespeedo]

Great W/end, The Fitz were very friendly bunch locals and dealers alike. The standard of dealing was the best I have come across anywhere too.

The structure is great and perfect for most of us holding regular Mon-Fri jobs.
However and here is the but, there is a point that a few I talked to in Dublin also couldn"t understand and I think should be considered:

The tournament stops too soon on the Saturday night, I can not understand why the tourney doesn"t play down to the cash positions.

1. It seems harsh to be asked to hang around ( or drive back a couple of hours) until half way thru the next afternoon when very short stacked and forced to push within a couple of hands and receive no reward/prizemoney.

2. This would also help the tourney finish earlier on the Sunday and allow people chance to get home for the Monday more comfortably.

Agree with above. Let"s not forget it was a great tournament and structure generally, but I thought we should have carried on to 15 prize money winners on the Saturday night too. As there was a draw for the final TWO tables (I"ve not seen this done before), I was in the blinds 4 hands out of 5 and this left me in a position where I had to push with A6 off and was out very soon on day 2 for no prize and a bit of an anticlimax.

Don"t get me wrong, I may have gone out soon anyway, but I thought I had a full round to get through when I arrived on the Sunday afternoon which would have given me a few more hands to play with, and later positions to steal the blinds if it had not been raised up already. Maybe we should have piped up on Saturday a bit earlier as it was announced reasonably early enough though...?

[technolog]

The tournament stops too soon on the Saturday night, I can not understand why the tourney doesn"t play down to the cash positions.

I absolutely love the tourney - have no doubt about that - but I would also like to see it go on later on Saturday and finish earlier on Sunday. I think it would have more of a feel of a "big" tournament. Not a complaint, just a preference.

[kinboshi]

As mentioned on another forum, the addition of a 150/300 level would make the already excellent structure perfect.

Would mean an additional 40 minutes on Day 1 - but surely that could be done by starting at 2 o"clock instead of 2:30, and finishing 10 minutes later. 

It"s nit-picking really, as the structure is far better than anything else you can get at this buy-in level.  But the 150/300 would make it spot on.

[Robbiebox]

Totally agree , that the 150/300 level would add more play to the tourney. I played the Friday night game at the Fritz ( where they had 150/300 level) and was quite taken aback when it wasn"t there on the Sat APAT game ( I know that if I had checked I would have known).

Campaign begins for :

#Introduction of the 150/300 level

#Start at 2pm

#Play till the money on Saturday night

Comments/agreement/disagreement please Des, Tikay and the rest of APAT

[kinboshi]

If the start can"t be brought forward (due to many of the casinos only opening their doors at noon - and therefore there not being enough time to get everything ready), then I don"t think anyone (well, not many) would be against the idea of the play going on 40 minutes later at the end of Day 1.

[nosey-p]

If I ever get that for (I live in hope) I would prefer to play down to the money on the Saturday  

[HaworthBantam]

I"m quite happy either way.

If the consensus is with introducing the 150/300 level and playing down to the money on the Saturday night/Sunday morning then it"ll not affect my decision as to whether to play the events - I"ll be there regardless.

I suspect most players would have no problem with these changes.

The only thing that it might be worth noting is that if the entry is large, 200/250 plus, then it may not be possible to play down to the money without players falling asleep at the table.

I think a little common sense needs to be used, and decisions made on an event to event basis, depending on entry size.

[Bodddders]

If the fields for S2 are the same as S1 (150ish) then I think playing down to the cash places is a good idea. The problem is that Apat have been hinting that S2 will be a lot bigger, venues and comps it seems.
With fields of hopefully 250+ for S2 it wont be possible to play down to the money, so were do you draw the line. Time, say a midnight finish, or numbers 30,40, 50 which will mean a later finish on the Sunday. Im sure those in charge welcome our comments but there may well be a price to pay for larger fields in S2.

[Robbiebox]

LARGER FIELDS DOESN"T MEAN IT TAKES ANY LONGER TO PLAY DOWN TO THE MONEY AS THE MONEY WILL START FURTHER OUT.

wHAT IT DOES MEAN IS THAT IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO PLAY OUT ONCE YOU"VE REACHED THE MONEY STAGE.~ SO DAY 1 WILL BE NO LONGER , BUT DAY 2 WILL BE INCREASED.

[Bodddders]

LARGER FIELDS DOESN"T MEAN IT TAKES ANY LONGER TO PLAY DOWN TO THE MONEY AS THE MONEY WILL START FURTHER OUT.

wHAT IT DOES MEAN IS THAT IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO PLAY OUT ONCE YOU"VE REACHED THE MONEY STAGE.~ SO DAY 1 WILL BE NO LONGER , BUT DAY 2 WILL BE INCREASED.

I can see where your coming from, but surely day one will take longer. For example say there are 250 runners and the top 25 get paid.(10%) Thats 225 players to be eliminated. At the moment 150 players and top 15 win money, meaning 135 players have to be knocked out. It must take longer.

[FlyingPig73]

In B/ham I think there was 120 runners, and at the end of the first day I think there was about 33ish runners left.

You have to take into account the bagging up of chips at the ens of the tournament as well... This takes around 20 minutes at least...

So if you play down to a predetermined number you could be there till an unspecified time,,, So you could finish about 3am, if you are staying in a B&B you generally have to be out by 10 or 11.

[Cazzaline]

I think the structure is spot on.

[Robbiebox]

Bodddders , I know where you are coming from, it does seem as though it must take longer , but because of the extra number of tables , the players still get knocked out proportionally at the same rate. So it doesn"t matter if you start with 10,000 players, you still reach the last 10%(1000players) after the same time as you would for a 100 player tourney reach the last 10 players.
There are a few technicalities like moving tables and general organisation which slow things down a bit but all APAT tourneys could start at 2pm and finish with the money players roughly 1am-2am. ( add 45 min if you add a 150-300 level)

[Bodddders]

Bodddders , I know where you are coming from, it does seem as though it must take longer , but because of the extra number of tables , the players still get knocked out proportionally at the same rate. So it doesn"t matter if you start with 10,000 players, you still reach the last 10%(1000players) after the same time as you would for a 100 player tourney reach the last 10 players.
There are a few technicalities like moving tables and general organisation which slow things down a bit but all APAT tourneys could start at 2pm and finish with the money players roughly 1am-2am. ( add 45 min if you add a 150-300 level)

I guess your right, but I have very little experience of big tourneys so I would be interested if others agree with this senario.