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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #225 on: January 10, 2011, 20:32:38 PM »
As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?

Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)

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Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter  :"(

Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #226 on: January 10, 2011, 20:37:44 PM »

Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.


England already has a C team.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #227 on: January 10, 2011, 20:42:04 PM »

As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?

Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)

Walsall      378
Solent      289
Cardiff      203
Bristol      180
Liverpool      162
Stockton-On-Tees   145
Birmingham   133
Edinburgh   121
Belfast      84
Manchester   15

Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter  :"(

Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.



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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #228 on: January 10, 2011, 20:44:11 PM »


Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.


England already has a C team.


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #229 on: January 10, 2011, 20:59:16 PM »


Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.


Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to put one team up.

The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #230 on: January 10, 2011, 21:02:39 PM »



Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.


England already has a C team.


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #231 on: January 10, 2011, 23:31:23 PM »


As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?

Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)

Walsall      378
Solent      289
Cardiff      203
Bristol      180
Liverpool      162
Stockton-On-Tees   145
Birmingham   133
Edinburgh   121
Belfast      84
Manchester   15

Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter  :"(

Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.



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Not because it would have improved Bristols score (it wouldnt have) it just seems fairer.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #232 on: January 10, 2011, 23:45:13 PM »



Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.


Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to out one team up.

The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.



But it would be much more representative of APAT membership

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #233 on: January 11, 2011, 04:51:03 AM »




Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.


Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to out one team up.

The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.



But it would be much more representative of APAT membership


Perhaps but that"s not the point of the competition.

By your criteria the Chinese could enter 5 teams for every event into the Olympics.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #234 on: January 11, 2011, 09:38:04 AM »



Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.


I was only thinking about this yesterday.

It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams.  The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.

Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams.  I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.

It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year.  That would detract from what the event is about.


Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.

This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.

Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.

Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #235 on: January 11, 2011, 10:16:33 AM »
+1 on Achim being made captain of the 2011 German team. He puts in more miles (kilometres) than most and should be rewarded for his commitment to APAT.


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #236 on: January 11, 2011, 10:57:01 AM »




Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.


I was only thinking about this yesterday.

It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams.  The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.

Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams.  I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.

It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year.  That would detract from what the event is about.


Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.

This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.

Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.

Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.


The point is that it should be one country"s team v each other country"s team. By having more than one team per country (esp. the "host" country) you give that "host" an unfair advantage.

This is the same reasoning applied to the Forum Team Event like the one at the end of January. We don"t allow APAT to have more than one team...the same applies here.

The discussion was about the possible "unfairness" in the selection of the "away" nations teams...let"s try and keep it on track.

If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #237 on: January 11, 2011, 12:21:47 PM »

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If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.


That doesn"t really make any sense

This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #238 on: January 11, 2011, 13:10:13 PM »


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If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.


That doesn"t really make any sense

This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant



True..of course, but I was just trying to separate the discussions...but, whatever.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #239 on: January 11, 2011, 13:38:11 PM »



...

If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.


That doesn"t really make any sense

This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant



True..of course, but I was just trying to separate the discussions...but, whatever.


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The principle was good but I think after 15 pages it"s a bit late for that

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