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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2010, 20:36:39 PM »

This worked well in Aberdeen this year.  I like the idea.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2010, 20:44:02 PM »
I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!


Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?


Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2010, 20:59:27 PM »

Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2010, 21:51:37 PM »

I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!


Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?


Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)


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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2010, 21:52:36 PM »

I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!


Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?


Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)


Missed Walsall this year! :(

For Scotland, can we use Glasgow/Edinburgh rather than Aberdeen? Cost of travel to Aberdeen seems to be significantly higher than to Edinburgh/Glasgow  (didn"t get to Aberdeen - couldn"t afford it)

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2010, 22:05:03 PM »
1. Portsmouth
2. Brighton Rendezvous
3. Liverpool
4. anywhere else it hasn"t been held before

New places are good - imo
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2010, 22:26:31 PM »
online league - I"ve found the team format very frustrating this year, due to not being able to get players to play. I"ve even pulled out tonight for the sake of an early night (and to write this post LOL). A lot of people like this the way it is so no real reason to change it. However when the online league was created it was with a view to it evolving into a live concept. Cant see that happening now so would like to see something different here. Still keep it low buyin but with a format that rewards individuals rather than the teams with the most players in. My suggestion would be an individual monthly league with 2 games a week. Top 10 play off for the place in an annual final for packages etc. Not really thought too much about this because I know most people prefer the current format....

betfair - top sponsorship deal this. Would like to see APAT players give a bit more back and maybe have something in place that would have players using the site more.

payout structure - surely time for a more conventional structure. I think day 1 should run until players are ITM. Alternates for 3 levels and money added to the payouts please

online nationals - sundays would be better, but could be a few bleary eyes at work the next day given the structure. I think 500BBs is too big a starting stack. keep it at 200BBs (4K starting stack) which is the same as live nationals and make the levels longer (20 mins maybe)

venues - I played Luton, DTD and Swansea this year

Luton - top venue - top dealers (when they got there)
DTD - just a superb venue. Wouldn"t change anything about this
swansea - apart from being in Swansea, this was a great venue - the dealers were inexperienced but did their best, were cheerful and listened to advice, so cant ask for any more there (apart from practice a bit more ;D)

As much as it is convenient - I"m glad Manchester was canned this year. (terrible venue for poker). I would like to see Newcastle get a tourney next year. I didn"t play it in season 1, but those that did spoke very highly of Aspers (It also holds 200+ I think)

Would be interesting to see if APAT would make the move to hiring conference venues and putting on much bigger tournaments. This would also involve them having their own chips/tables/dealers (and security I suppose) so may not be a goer. Possibly get the sponsors to stump up here.

euro stops - There has been a general lack of interest in these from UK players. This is completely understandable as it invariably involves a day or 2 off work and the coast of travel / accommodation means you need a deep run in the comp for it to be profitable. Whilst profit is not the main reason people play APAT competitions, it is still a pretty big financial and time commitment to go to a another country and simply stay in a casino the majority of the time. Having said all that, the euro stops were extra tourneys on top of the usual schedule so again there is no reason to can them. I"m sure betfair enjoy the publicity in these other stops

pro league - Its not really taken off. I thought it was a great idea when it was conceived and was convinced it would grow to be a success. The 20K overall reward for the winner has seen the last few games play out as games within games with seemingly less interest in winning individual comps and single packages. Either increase the buyin or can it. I"d go for the latter. If it is canned then there may be an opportunity for another pro-am event like there was in S2.

buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).

I think thats it for now. I"m off to bed.

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2010, 23:03:51 PM »

where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?

Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)


DTD, The Vic & Luton have been the best stops IMHO.

Agree with previous re Aberdeen. I probably would have played this had it been in Edinburgh or Glasgow purely on the basis of accessibility (nothing against the Aberdonians)

Also agree with the suggestion of Aspers @ The Gate, Newcastle - Big venue and right in the middle of the city for a canny neet oot like
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2010, 00:00:19 AM »
I have posted my thoughts earlier but have just thought of one other little thing:

Day 2 of live events should start earlier than 2.30pm. It seems that the people who do make it through wake up, have breakfast, get showered, check out of the hotel, then................................... Bugger! It"s only 10.30am... What shall I do for the next 4 hours?

Maybe starting at 12 or 12.30 will also give people an earlier drive home!
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2010, 01:04:21 AM »

I have posted my thoughts earlier but have just thought of one other little thing:

Day 2 of live events should start earlier than 2.30pm. It seems that the people who do make it through wake up, have breakfast, get showered, check out of the hotel, then................................... Bugger! It"s only 10.30am... What shall I do for the next 4 hours?

Maybe starting at 12 or 12.30 will also give people an earlier drive home!


That"s a non-starter, down to casino staffing and shift rotas no venue will kick us off earlier than mid Sunday afternoon

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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2010, 01:09:16 AM »

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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.

However I do like much of what Rob is suggesting, although more APAT stuff in the week (ref online league) would be tough to commit to as there"s a lot already.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2010, 06:21:01 AM »


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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.

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agreed, don"t do this.

I haven"t looked at the figures, but as well as not wanting the price to go up - I suspect an inflation adjusted figure would be more like £85 than £100 anyway.

The buy in is a significant part of the overall cost, that"s a reason why I think it"s a good idea that the alternate"s prize money just gets added on as (effectively) a series of "savers" below the normal prize payout. I think the payout itself should go more mainstream, but keep the alternates arrangement the same.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2010, 06:53:33 AM »



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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.

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agreed, don"t do this.

I haven"t looked at the figures, but as well as not wanting the price to go up - I suspect an inflation adjusted figure would be more like £85 than £100 anyway.

The buy in is a significant part of the overall cost, that"s a reason why I think it"s a good idea that the alternate"s prize money just gets added on as (effectively) a series of "savers" below the normal prize payout. I think the payout itself should go more mainstream, but keep the alternates arrangement the same.


RPI
Apr-07£75.00
Apr-08 5.3£78.98
Apr-09-1.2£78.03
Apr-10 4.2£81.30
Apr-11 4.0??£84.56


I think a small increase of perhaps £5 or £10 would be in order to keep abreast of inflation.
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2010, 09:18:10 AM »
See this is why I don"t get up in the mornings, I just cain"t get my thinking head around stuff.  How can you increase the buy in for a poker tournament to adjust for inflation when it"s an arbitrary figure with nothing tangible returned, or at least nothing guaranteed anyway?  A tournament has no inherent value in the same way as a nice sandwich does, it just costs what you want it to cost.

I know the money you win won"t buy you as much as five years ago, but you have no guarantee of a return and for 90% of the participants a poker tournament is essentially the same as just losing some money.  You can"t adjust losing your wallet to account for an increase in the RPI.

I"m all for bumping the buy in up a bit though just to have a bigger prize pool, but don"t see what inflation has got to do with it.  What other poker tour or casino has done this?
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Re: S5 - APAT Season 5 - Discussion
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2010, 12:25:49 PM »

See this is why I don"t get up in the mornings, I just cain"t get my thinking head around stuff.  How can you increase the buy in for a poker tournament to adjust for inflation when it"s an arbitrary figure with nothing tangible returned, or at least nothing guaranteed anyway?  A tournament has no inherent value in the same way as a nice sandwich does, it just costs what you want it to cost.

I know the money you win won"t buy you as much as five years ago, but you have no guarantee of a return and for 90% of the participants a poker tournament is essentially the same as just losing some money.  You can"t adjust losing your wallet to account for an increase in the RPI.

I"m all for bumping the buy in up a bit though just to have a bigger prize pool, but don"t see what inflation has got to do with it.  What other poker tour or casino has done this?


I have to say was exactly like u reading about the RPI and wondering what it has to do with the buy in.

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