APAT Season 5: Discussion

[technolog]

Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.

Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?

[TheSnapper]

Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.

Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?

[HaworthBantam]

Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.

Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?

Jack, I thought you already were  

[nosey-p]

Live

No need to change.

£75 perfect
Structure perfect
Standard payout
Deals, not bothered either way  
Pro league does not affect me as it's too much for me but a change to Sunday/Friday would be good for several reasons. Friday would give people the chance to play the pro then the ME. People may travel knowing that they have two comps to play. Sunday would give the opportunity for those that have bustard out of the ME to play via direct buy-in or via a satellite. But would this affect the side games? It would free up places fpr the ME. But for me I would scrap it and put more added value to the ME by giving 2nd and 3rd place seats to GUKPT side events or to DTD deep stack.

Venues

They is a big battle going on in Leeds with two casinos battling it out to be top dog, am sure either one of them would love to host a APAT game, but the best card room is Alea. Sheffield as also several places that could hold a 150+ event. Newcastle would also be a place worth revisiting.

$50

Again for me this is fine as it is but if you want a change, play it on a Sunday. If people are worried about the finishing time then start at 7 or change the structure.

League

This is were I think the biggest change as to be    

I believe when the league was set up, it was to progress into a live league. (As stated earlier) but we no this will not happen. So do we keep with it or dump it for an individual league.

a)   Stay as we are
b)   Same as now with a bit off tweaking
c)   Have a individual league
d)   Have a new league were you pick/join your own team with a set number of players
e)   Scrap it all together and have a $10 comp
f)   Any other suggestion


I would be in favour of d, a new league of made up teams of 5.

We get about 150 runners over the 3 leagues. Based on that amount you would have 30 teams playing in one league. Every team will get points towards the grand final which all teams would play in.
The winner of the league would receive the biggest amount of chips in the final say 10,000 (per player) the 2nd 8,500 the 3rd 7,000 4th to 9th 5,500 10th to 19th 4000 the rest 3,000

Scoring points
Top 3 in each team would score points in the same way as now but over a bigger finishing position say top 40 (40 for 1st down to 1 for 40th) if a team does not score any points then they would get 1 league point and then work your way up. EG if 7 teams do not score then they all get 1 point the next team would get 8 points then 9 and so on.

I know they is allot of flaws with this mainly can Betfair set up a game with different starting chips. But it would mean that all teams, all players would have something to aim for, the final.

[WarBwastardo]

Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos."  Is this still a possibility?

Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea.  S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think.  There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.

Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y

[KarmaDope]

Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos."  Is this still a possibility?

Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea.  S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think.  There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.

Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y

But Jon MW LOVES walking 500 miles from the nearest Travel Inn!

[Paulie_D]

Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos."  Is this still a possibility?

Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea.  S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think.  There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.

Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y

Des covered this at DTD.

Yes, he"d love to do APAT as though it were the EPT but when you factor in the additional cost of hiring dealers, tables, venues plus having your own chips etc the overall cost becomes prohibitive.

Could it be done?...perhaps but all the "added value" would disappear into costs rather than being put into prizepools etc.

I hope I haven"t misquoted Des but at the moment the cost/benefit ratio just isn"t there.

[RicayBoy]

Making the online league a league of small teams (say 30 teams x 5 players) is a terrible idea in my view. It"s very difficult to commit to playing 10 match days out of 10 so I would probably end up playing none rather than let my small group of team-mates down as and when I can"t turn up. That just can"t be what the aim of APAT is it?

Making the online league an individual event perhaps with a team affiliation with the biggest rewards for the individuals and a smaller team reward maybe a better idea. Or perhaps have less teams so you have regions rather than clubs which might even up the player spread a bit.

[CrizzyConnor]

Late in on this and everything has been said already but I like to throw in my tuppence worth every now and then

Live Events: Would like to see the number of European trips reduced to one and add a couple of other UK based ones somewhere new so more people can play in the APAT events close to home. Pro series should be scrapped altogether but if it has to stay then move it to Sunday. Moving it to Sunday and having STT or MTT satellites for those knocked out already on Saturday evening sounds like an ok idea. PLO Sunday tourney too at every event would be a bonus too.

New Venues: I would love to see a tournament in Liverpool or Newcastle in S5 as both cities are great places to spend a weekend in compared to other places the APAT tour has visited and I won"t be lost for something to do when I inevitable crash out early again!

Oh and can we have the Scottish APAT held in the largest (and best) city in the country for once? Surely it"s our turn by now I thought the Alea was a great venue for the Sky Poker Tour which was attended by a lot of fellow APATers who agreed but TightEnd said it performed poorly? It"s always been great in my experience with large tournaments there. Make it happen somehow, one time!

Online League: I"ve not been around in a while but the whole regional thing doesn"t work IMO due to inequalities in team sizes etc. What I think would be better would be an individual online league or a team league made up of teams of 5 or 10 players chosen amongst ourselves. I think people would play more if they were letting down their team of mates rather than just their city team and a bunch of people they may not know.

Payout Structure: I don"t think deals should be allowed, I"m all for playing for the win but I do believe there needs to be a standard final table payout structure. Bullying short stacks trying to ladder to the next pay slot is a big part of the game IMO

Online Satellites: Keep as seat only, it"s about creating the most amount of seats possible and avoiding clickfest.

[Paulie_D]

Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon^*

In the meantime, feel free to discuss areas you would like to see improved, changed, or introduced.

Since this thread has died a bit in recent days I thought I would stir the pot a little.

This year (S4) APAT have had problems on at least 2 occasions, that I can recall, with venues pulling the plug on us sometimes after bookings have been made and it"s only thanks to the APAT Team scrambling and twisting arms that we"ve managed to scrape through.

So, what am I saying? I know it"s tough but when the Season 5 schedule is announced, I"d like to be sure that the venues have been locked down.

I have only the vaguest idea of how hard Des/Richard"s jobs are in dealing with these places but surely (don"t call me Shirley) getting them to commit several months in advance can"t be that hard...can it?

[Des]

Thread was better in "died down" state  

We"re a looong way from talking to venues, but the objective will be to have them all tied down pre announcement.

[Des]

pre announcement will be soon

As I write there are still events to be played in November and two in January! Announcement will follow last event, then we"ll play the "soon" game.

[Outlander]

[bigalhx3]

online i would scrap giving medals & boxes out as this seems to make some that win them very unhappy that they have to waite for them and under the apat spirit that would be the last thing what apat would want to do is make there some members unhappy

[1TRW1]

Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?

I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....

If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.

I could play Fridays.