APAT Season 5: Discussion

[Curlarge]

Hi,

I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?

A thousand Blessings upon your camels,

Stu
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We"re telling everyone by email except you....it"s a conspiracy.

Oh, wait...

I think it would be prudent to send the chief scout out ahead of time to all prospective venues for S5. Would anyone like to contribute to his airfare to check out the G Casino Beruit?

[Fatcatstu]

Hi,

I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?

A thousand Blessings upon your camels,

Stu
x

We"re telling everyone by email except you....it"s a conspiracy.

Oh, wait...

I think it would be prudent to send the chief scout out ahead of time to all prospective venues for S5. Would anyone like to contribute to his airfare to check out the G Casino Beruit?

What on earth has beirut done to offend you!

FWIW  i shall be playing sober poker tongiht for the first time in god knows how long, i am sure phil will report back to you on how the experience differs...

[cincicrappykid]

Agree with Brendan on the online league format, but not sure how to fix it in reality. I appreciate that only the top 4 scorers can contribute to the team total, so in theory a team of 4 is as strong as a team of 20.... but in practise that just doesn"t stack up over the longer term. The team of 20 will continually win by virtue of having more players - take Walsall, Solent, etc as the obvious examples (it"s not the same players making the finals every week - they have such a deep pool that there players are generally bound to make the final table and points)

Pro League - not well attended and detracts from the very special £75 APAT National event

Live Updates - love the live feed, but it detracts from the Live Updates thread, and that is imo a bad thing.

Live schedule - nicely spread through the year... BUT it seems that the majority of UK based events are coming in a rush from end of summer onward. I may have that wrong and haven"t checked the calendar - but it certainly feels that way.

Betfair - Thank you very much for an awesome value add over the season!!  More of the same next year please...

Payout structure - lets get more conventional... I hate the flat structure as it stands. Would also be useful if we could end day one after the money bubble, so all those coming back on day two are in the money.

not so sure walsall turnout was quite as great and overwhelming as you think you will find it was mostly the same players scoring most weeks  cos were better than everyone else 2 yrs winning team say no more me thinks

[WYoung83]

 Money bubble at end of day one would be tricky.
Apat tournys become a real tight grind as it stands anyway, and playing from 2.30 pm untill 1 am as it stands is bloody hard work. I personally Wouldnt want to have to play untill 4am just for a min cash. Most people stay in hotel for 1st night anyway, and im sure wouldnt mind comming back for day 2 refreshed and not in the money.
If there was a way that we could start earlier, or shorten the dinner break? i dont know.
I know that the ukipt started at 12.00 and day 1 finished 9pm last year. If we could start a bit earlier it could be better for the players who go deep.

[gianlucaragusi]

why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca

[bigalhx3]

why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca

Definitely like to see this in the worlds

[KarmaDope]

Midday start time on Day 2 could be interesting. I think it would work as most people get kicked out their hotels by then, and could theoretically win and still get home in time for Monday morning, meaning they wouldn"t have to take an extra day off work. Still start at around 2pm on the Saturday though.

Oh, another idea maybe would be to have a staggered buffet break, like what happened in Bolton? Half the field goes for one level and then the level is replayed with the other half going?

[WYoung83]

dont give the nits 15k, they will start locking up even more.

[AAroddersAA]

why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca

Not every event but DTD main event would be good.

[duke3016]

dont give the nits 15k, they will start locking up even more.

Hoi  

[WarBwastardo]

The 2pm start time on Saturdays can be a bit inconvenient sometimes is what I"ve found because a lot of the times if you"re staying in a hotel, (the purple ones especially) they won"t let you check-in until 2pm at the earliest. 

So you either have to hope they"ll let you in early, or check in after you"ve busted out.  Which of course is often about 3:30pm, but can sometimes be as late as 5:00pm and there"s so much traffic about at those times.  Imagine if you made day 2!! and could only check in at about 3am..urghh nightmare.

I wouldn"t mind if day 1 kicked off at 4pm and finished later, or we made the extra time up on day 2.  That"s what I wouldn"t mind and you can quote me.

[Paulie_D]

i believe (and Tighty might correct me) that the 2.3opm start time is based on a number of things including, but not limited to:

Casino opening hours (they"re not all 24 hours)
Casino closing hours (ditto)
Licencing times (ditto)
Dealer availability (shifts & so forth)
Casino Support Staff availability (Bar persons, kitchens, valets etc)

Frankly, other than tweaking the payouts, I don"t see any over-riding reason to change much about the starting stack, structure and buy-ins.

Over-"improving" things is often the road to ruin.

What APAT has, works, let"s not fix something that"s not intrinsically broken.

[TightEnd]

yes the basic problem in earlier starts is casino staffing and rotas, not APAT


I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought

[Robbiebox]

I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought

Agreed with increase stack for the WCOAP.

However people always estimate how much longer a tourney will last with extra chips. If you give 50% extra chips, then the tourney will only finish 2 or 3  levels later as blinds will have gone up 50% in that time. So 1hr 20min to 2hrs extra only.

[TightEnd]

I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought

Agreed with increase stack for the WCOAP.

However people always estimate how much longer a tourney will last with extra chips. If you give 50% extra chips, then the tourney will only finish 2 or 3  levels later as blinds will have gone up 50% in that time. So 1hr 20min to 2hrs extra only.

yes but my comment still applies. A 2 hour later finish say on a Sunday night=midnight, when the vast majority of the field has to travel back home, and then work the next morning for most

As ever, with discussions about structures etc we need to balance playability (of which there is currently plenty, indeed it is argued that many players can sit still for ages!) with a recognition that APAT's players are working people, recreational, with other priorities too. Also that all tournaments have to reach pinch points where certain stack sizes have to move.

So my general message is yes there will be tweaks in a lot of areas, but the general philosophy of the weekend, the tournaments and the time spent playing as opposed to wandering naked into hotel foyers is in the right balance