APAT Season 5: Discussion

[technolog]

Sigh.

[HaworthBantam]

...but the general philosophy of the weekend, the tournaments and the time spent playing as opposed to wandering naked into hotel foyers is in the right balance.

Quality, lol.

Sigh.

Jack, it"s one of those things that will never be forgotten  

All I"d like to see in season 5 is more unforgettable moments...

[pables]

I think the horse event should start a little later in the day  

[Honeybadg]

Money bubble at end of day one would be tricky.
Apat tournys become a real tight grind as it stands anyway, and playing from 2.30 pm untill 1 am as it stands is bloody hard work. I personally Wouldnt want to have to play untill 4am just for a min cash. Most people stay in hotel for 1st night anyway, and im sure wouldnt mind comming back for day 2 refreshed and not in the money.
If there was a way that we could start earlier, or shorten the dinner break? i dont know.
I know that the ukipt started at 12.00 and day 1 finished 9pm last year. If we could start a bit earlier it could be better for the players who go deep.

The Betfair Live at the weekend got to the money bubble by midnight with a 2.10pm start.

171 players - 26 paid.

40 mins levels - but it didn"t really feel any different in terms of play - what does that extra 5 mins per level really do??

If we did play to the money - then there could be scope for a bigger "second chance" event on day 2 of the weekend.

That way people who want to play for the whole weekend either are in the money or have a "second chance".

Aside it was interesting to compare the play vs the APATs I have played in.

Much less "nitty" play on day 1 - which helped progress to the money.

Also some wilder plays - interesting to watch.

Day 2 - perhaps too many short stacks, which took too long to eliminate, so by the time they were eliminated the mid stacks were now getting short and so on.

Back to the question - what would be the negative of moving to 40 min levels and playing down to the money on day 1?

Louis

[Fatcatstu]

i would last even less time than i do now.

[duke3016]

i would last even less time than i do now.

orly

[TheWagoon]

Playing to the money on day 1 would be 1000000x better imo

Coming back for day 2 and bubbling was extremely tilting would rather have just played to the money on day 1.

[Paulie_D]

The Betfair Live at the weekend got to the money bubble by midnight with a 2.10pm start.

171 players - 26 paid.

40 mins levels - but it didn"t really feel any different in terms of play - what does that extra 5 mins per level really do??

APAT has 200 runners and only pays 20 so it"s not the same....losing those extra 7/8 takes longer than you might think.

If they could play down to the money by 2am I"m sure they would.

[WYoung83]

 Agreed paulie. It would be soo much better and if they could get it down to the money by 2.00am then they would. Everyone wants to go home earlier, but its never gonna happen unless we start earlier, but thats down to venue and not Apat unfortunatly.

[Honeybadg]

2am - do venues want to end at this time - I thought the constraint was a 2pm start time - either way could still get to the money with 40 min levels and perhaps some guidance on monster dwells on simple folds.

APAT could change the levels to 40 mins??

A lot of the S4 tournaments were less than 200 runners.

You could also have shorter or split dinner breaks.

L

[Paulie_D]

2am - do venues want to end at this time - I thought the constraint was a 2pm start time - either way could still get to the money with 40 min levels and perhaps some guidance on monster dwells on simple folds.

Venues generally run their staff in shifts and 12 hours is usually the max they can ask within the budget they have agreed to. I don"t recall any instance over 4 years where the money was reached (with 200 runners) on Day 1...but I could be wrong.

I don"t think it"s really proper for anyone to issue "guidance" on how to play/fold. Anyway, how can you tell the difference between a "hollywood" dwell and someone who has a real decision? It"s not like you know what they were holding.

APAT could change the levels to 40 mins??

I suppose they might get another level out of it but I don"t see an over-riding reason to do so.

A lot of the S4 tournaments were less than 200 runners.

There were only a couple (I think) and, without looking back, I think they got close to the normal bubble on those occasions, but then again, they were paying less spots...so that moved the goalposts back. Like I said, I don"t recall any that ever made the money on Day 1.

You could also have shorter or split dinner breaks.

Shorter...no I don"t think so, have you seen the queues? Split breaks generally works but I"m not sure that this would save any time.

[Chipaccrual]

Split dinner breaks will save around 30 minutes.

It"s reliant on the venue wanting to do it.


I would prefer that we did it at all venues, but sometimes for staffing reasons, they like to do a complete break.

[Honeybadg]

40 min Levels ...

... so roughly 14 levels on day 1 ... "saves" 70 mins ... plus potentially 30 mins on a split dinner break ... 100 mins ... 2.5 levels ... to the money on day 1?

Just floating the idea ... if logistics preclude it ... then fair play.

L

[TightEnd]

APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3

Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal

[KarmaDope]

APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3

Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal

Tighty,

Most casinos are open by 12pm on a Sunday - what"s to stop APAT starting earlier on Day 2 which would help with finishing times? Maybe not 12pm...1pm?