[pokerpops]

I know, it"s live casino cash poker!

But - the decisions were the subject of much debate after the hand

10-handed it"s straddled and there are 6 calls, straddler checks

flop   tc

SB checks, UTG leads for £8
one fold and mid-position makes it £20, another fold and cut-off shoves for £48.50
BB calls from a stack of c£200
mid-position has him covered (but only just)
UTG folds

mid-position is late-20s, quiet and generally passive although has been known to raise his button pretty light
Cut-off is early 20s and a bit unknown
BB is late 60s and calls off pretty loose at times. He doubled up when he got all in on turn with KQ on a K high board against AK.... Q on river obv

Turn card     tc

BB shoves £168

You"re mid-position with  

[Marty719]

Im lost...whats the que?

[WYoung83]

seems to be a typo either on flop or turn? was it 3 clubs on flop?

no im sorry, u put the turn in wrong place.....lol, so basically 44 has a boat, well he cant fold can he.

[Marty719]

Im lost...whats the que?

Now the cards have been added and my que still stands

Folding 4"s full would be ridiculous when villains can value shove worse.  Im assuming since its posted that he had the top of his range.  ul.

BB has a flush most of the time.

[samuel_9]

Im lost...whats the que?

same here

[samuel_9]

seems to be a typo either on flop or turn? was it 3 clubs on flop?

no im sorry, u put the turn in wrong place.....lol, so basically 44 has a boat, well he cant fold can he.

i thimk hes drunk

[Fatcatstu]

confused here dave mate. i dont know what other hands are involved but even the stokton rock couldnt find a fold here.

on flop i think a 8 bet into 14 at that casino is never enough.

[pokerpops]

I"m not fully involved in the hand other than having put £8 in on the flop with middle-pair and a mini-flush draw

The interesting issue for the table was that the lad with the house folded...
Cut-off showed the  ac ::
BB  kc qc

As the table universally questioned the fold the dealer burnt and turned the river card....  jc

I was curious as to how many people could make that fold


PS Stu, £8 into £14 folds out a lot of and where the villain has no club and it gets a poor value call from those with a single club. It rarely gets raised by less than 2-pair, sets or made flushes

[Marty719]

I was curious as to how many people could make that fold

Obv results don"t matter in hands like these.  Making this fold would be incorrect, even if villain has 10"s full in the actual hand.  It never matters what they have.  All that matters is the range of hands they are capable of having, and our hands equity vs that range.  44 obv crushes vs their range...

As it happens, 44 would have managed to get it in vs 1 out once...hopefully not many people "could make that fold" and if they did, it would be an error.

[samuel_9]

never never folding a house

[pokerpops]

I was curious as to how many people could make that fold

Obv results don"t matter in hands like these.  Making this fold would be incorrect, even if villain has 10"s full in the actual hand.  It never matters what they have.  All that matters is the range of hands they are capable of having, and our hands equity vs that range.  44 obv crushes vs their range...

As it happens, 44 would have managed to get it in vs 1 out once...hopefully not many people "could make that fold" and if they did, it would be an error.

I should have used would rather than could - I"m pretty sure I"m not folding unless the opponent is hugely tight and has never ever ever been shown to do this without the stone-cold nuts. In this instance villain has already made/called big bets with very much not the nuts.
But.... live cash has a dynamic of it"s own sometimes. Lots of people at the table who don"t have the bankroll for it; the "I"m £150 up tonight and calling and being wrong wipes that out" factor; I need to go home soon etc etc
The fact that he folded here has been stored in the memory of all the other regulars at the table because his second mistake was to show...


results obv don"t matter, but it did allow someone to say "Only on Jokerstars"

[PantsMan]

Never folding there in a million years. Why is he calling the flop bet to then fold when he hits so big?? What is he putting the other guy on? No need to worry about the guy who"s already all in so unless the guy who shoves has nines or tens he"s just hit precisely what he needed to hit!

Highly unlikely the guy has got nines and if he has would he shove? Similar with tens. If he has either of those then it"s not your day but i don"t understand why you"d call on that flop then fold when you hit big. What was he hoping for, the other four??

[samuel_9]

sounds like a very inexperienced player or he has.ent got the ?alls 2 gamble .........terrible play

[LongshanksED]

You can only be calling on this flop to hit a full house. Even though you boat up and it changes the relative strength of your opponents hand your either still way ahead or way behind

On flop when you call you need the boat to win, in order for that to happen you need the board to pair, but if you now think that one of your opponents has a higher full house then you can"t really call the flop bet. If you see what I mean?

[Swinebag]

never never folding a house

So if you have A4 on a 44KKQ board, you are stacking off to an all in bet?

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