REALLY angry, but now I've calmed down.....is this collusion ?

[BOINGBLITZ]

In Online League, it is folded to Chipfireball of Sunderland who raises and announces to patrickcon...also Sunderland...
"A-Qs"

Patrickcon folds and Chipfireball shows   :as:  qs

I told him that was blatant cheating, which he didn"t like !

In my opinion, that shouldn"t be allowed and any points scored by him should be wiped from tonight"s game.

If they are not, then cheating like that is condoned and may well happen again by other sides.

What do you think ?  
 

[undisputed]

In Online League, it is folded to Chipfireball of Sunderland who raises and announces to patrickcon...also Sunderland...
"A-Qs"

Patrickcon folds and Chipfireball shows   :as:  qs

I told him that was blatant cheating, which he didn"t like !

In my opinion, that shouldn"t be allowed and any points scored by him should be wiped from tonight"s game.

If they are not, then cheating like that is condoned and may well happen again by other sides.

What do you think ?  

I think not busting ur team mates is an "unwritten rule" , but there is no other word for that than blatant cheating. Absolute disgrace.
 

[SirPercival]

I agree this is cheating.

I also think we need clarification on the rules as other teams have admitted things on this forum which could also be cheating.

[BOINGBLITZ]

If this goes unpunished, then so be it.

When people announce on facebook who is playing for there teams, APAT allowed it, so we can all do it.

If people can announce what they have to there team-mates in the chat box, if APAT allow it, then WE CAN ALL DO IT !

[Chipaccrual]

Before this gets out of hand.

An accusation has been made regarding a player announcing his hand from the small blind when raising, with only a team mate left to act from the big blind.

The player then showed the hand that he declared.


We are currently looking into this.

[BOINGBLITZ]

message in ya box Leigh

[technolog]

Notts have team members currently refusing to play due to the perceived level of collusion going on. I think clarification is required minimum.

[SirPercival]

Just to be clear, I wasn"t referring to facebook in my post above.

[BOINGBLITZ]

clarify then Stu

[SirPercival]

clarify then Stu

I am agreeing with you Brian that this is wrong, Leigh has said APAT are looking into it so thread closed.

I apologise for derailing this thread, the other potential cheating has been discussed elsewhere and it would be wrong to go into further here.

[Shogun112]

I think I also saw someone on a table announce he had 10 10...  Similar circumstances but not entirely sure..  wrong though..!!  Regardless if it is blind on blind, same team mate, its wrong.  Next thing is, same people will be doing it 3 or 4 seats away from each other..

[LoneRider]

Just to add my few pennyworth...and in my opinion....

At the end of the day this is a TEAM game.

When and ONLY WHEN there are two (or more) memebers of the same team left in the pot, AND NO OTHER TEAM IS IN THE POT, then they should be allowed to disclose their cards as it has no direct affect on any other team....

I play in several other team games on various sites and this has always been the accepted ruling....

[Chipaccrual]

This matter has been dealt with.

I have spoken with the player involved who realised straight away that it was a foolish thing to do in the chatbox and that is was effectively colluding with a team mate.

The player in question has had their points removed from tonights game for calculating the team points, which has meant a switch around of the 2nd and 3rd place teams.


I would say that the player and captain involved have both been completely honest and upfront about what happened, regret it and have assured me it won"t happen again.


I hate to see any negative comments in chatboxes of APAT events, but inevitably feelings can run high at times.

So, let"s draw a line under this and move on to the next matchdays in May.

[Shortstack]

As Sunderland Team captain i would like to say we have accepted the points deduction punishment as a team without any question.
I have not or ever will promote these actions in the team game ever.
Weve took the points deduction on the chin, as a team and look forward to putting this behind us.
This was a one off incident and it wont happen again.
I feel pretty sh1t about it to be honest.

On Chips behalf i would like to think he only done it "for the crac". Mountain and molehill spring to mind.
A raise by Chip and Paddy C was folding anyway because thats the way a good team roll.
He only typed his hand in and showed it for banter. It was nowt malicious.
The action was folded to the blinds, Sunderland BB, Sunderland SB, there for no team got "CHEATED" out of any chips anyway as the chips were always coming to Sunderland. Only Sunderland was in the pot. Weve been docked a point for 400 chips here when i think about it ffs.
This was purely done to get a bite and boy did it get a bite.
So who actually got "cheated" out of any chips? Obviously someone got cheated for the chat to be full of cheater comments.
Nobody at all.
Different kettle of fish if there were other teams involved.

Even so talking over the table is  wrong so i cant argue but im sure Chip will express his opinions soon.

Well done us for taking the punishment on the chin.
May 8th next game - cant wait

[Jon MW]

...
So who actually got "cheated" out of any chips? Obviously someone got cheated for the chat to be full of cheater comments.
...

It was cheating because it was against the rules.

For what it"s worth I think like Lonerider that it would be a good idea in a team game if collusion was allowed in the rules (as it"s a team game) - however it has been made clear in the past that this doesn"t apply to APAT Team games.

Obviously it hasn"t been made clear enough, but while APAT team games are subject to exactly the same rules as normal games then these rules have to be upheld. I think this incident has help clarify matters and hopefully should ensure the future smooth running of any and all future APAT team games.