Week 5 League Games - Tournament Cancellation

[Scousebill]

Just call last night"s match void and play again at a later date...
The example given about the golf is ok if you want to support the argument about replaying with just the remaining 55. But what if you use football as an example. If a match is being played with 2 players out through injury and another out through suspension but for some reason the match is not completed, abandoned for snow maybe. When the match is eventually replayed then the players who were out for the original match are allowed to play in the second one. The strongest available team is selected on any given date and any rearranged game should have any players available allowed to play.
If the match is arranged for the players that remained and several of them are not available for that date - what happens then. Do you have another STT for the few who can"t make it.. And it can go on and on...

Match void.. replay at a later date with no restrictions.

[cashman]

i agree with scouse, just add another date to the schedule.

[lpgn]

Surely 888 can give each player their chip stack back (at time of crash we are in 2011 after all).Leave money thay paid as a way of saying sorry.Replenish prize money with extra cash they said they would put in and continue both Div 1 and Div 2 matches where we left off. :)Simple

[MintTrav]

why should those who didn"t play last night or who were knocked out and didn"t suffer from the crash, benefit from added money?

Why should those still in benefit from the added money? For once I agree with Shogun - you are being greedy.

[lpgn]

They could extra money to next weeks league games aswell as a way of apology to all players.

[AMRN]

why should those who didn"t play last night or who were knocked out and didn"t suffer from the crash, benefit from added money?

Why should those still in benefit from the added money? For once I agree with Shogun - you are being greedy.

I"m not being greedy John - if you had quoted the rest of my post, you would have included my next point that the cash in these tourneys is irrelevant - the tourney is about points.

[RicayBoy]

It"s pretty obvious that whatever is decided will upset someone. I feel sorry for Leigh as he has been placed in a no-win situation by 888 who have not exactly covered themselves in glory thus far (exchange rates  )

I was in last place when the system crashed and my equity in the tournament was virtually nil so to double my buy-in is actually a result for me. I am presuming that "normal" 888 rules were applied in the event of a server crash so that for me is non-negotiable regarding the pay-outs.

The points is a trickier situation but the reality as we all know is that the leaderboard after level 8 should not be used to determine the overall result as things can change spectacularly between the end of level 8 and the end of the MTT. I know that the team with the most runners left will feel agrieved but I think that the match day should either be abandoned (ie run with one fewer matchdays this season) or re-run from scratch with everyone able to re-enter including those who were already knocked out.

As for any added cash, I would suggest that this is added to a future matchday and open to all runners. To say that players who were already knocked out are not affected is actually incorrect as finishing positions may have had an impact on team points and the individual prizes on offer at the end of the season.

Anyone who thinks that any added money should be played for by just the 55 (I was one of these) and the 24 in Div 2 is just being plain greedy is my view and it"s hardly in the spirit of APAT is it?

Good luck Leigh!

[MintTrav]

I"m not being greedy John

For  the record, Steve, I was about to edit that to tone it down "a little greedy"? - lol. Anyway it"s done.

Good luck Leigh!

We are all repeating self-evident points that Leigh is capable of working out for himself. Maybe we should just leave it to Leigh to find out the possibilities and make a ruling.

[VBlue]

I will respect any decision taken by APAT.  It is inevitable that any decision will not please all of the people, however please remember the nature of the APAT organisers participation as volunteers.  I hope that Leigh and his team do not get aggrivation over their considered judgement.

Honestly, from the position I saw us in last night when I logged off, it would probably suit Carlisle more if the match were void as we had 6 down out of 10 and only 2 inside the top 10 remaining.  I did not see our position when the tournament was cancelled.

I prefer Void Match for the following reasons:

- APAT get the opportunity to re-sell the whole event and could potentially attract more runners
- increased rake opportunity
- all players get a chance to share in any added prize money from 888 which in turn could attract more players too

I can understand the argument for the existing runners only, mostly from those wanting to protect their chance to earn points in this Round.  However, resetting all to a 3k starting stack and full blind structure is still not representing the tourney as it was when the tournament was cancelled and may actually add more of an unfair advantage for those teams who had players still remaining.  Someone who was only a few blinds deep is now back with an even shot at the tournament.

It is that final reason that I would add to the above to argue for a Void match.

[scouse3465]

Have nt read all posts so sorry if this repeats., But i will guess that all people / teams who were still in will want to replay it with just them left in . And all out and teams short will not. It should only be replayed with people left if all chip stacks are the same and prize pool is the same (and you can find a date where every player can play). If this isnt poss it should either be cancelled or replayed with anyone who played or wants to play.
Very unfair if replayed from equal chips because all players that have busted and bolstered other peoples stacks now have them cut back down. Therefore certain players would have just not played hands not gambled to get chips as you have to in tournies , will get back from bowl of rice to equal chips. And the players with big chips will be penalised.

Easy answer in my opinion play again or cancel. Replay with players still in if all on same chips massively unfair especially if there added money (should be open to ALL apaters )

[samuel_9]

i agree with everyone ..o. and the wife shes never  wroung

[spudgun007]

It"s pretty obvious that whatever is decided will upset someone. I feel sorry for Leigh as he has been placed in a no-win situation by 888 who have not exactly covered themselves in glory thus far (exchange rates  )

I was in last place when the system crashed and my equity in the tournament was virtually nil so to double my buy-in is actually a result for me. I am presuming that "normal" 888 rules were applied in the event of a server crash so that for me is non-negotiable regarding the pay-outs.

The points is a trickier situation but the reality as we all know is that the leaderboard after level 8 should not be used to determine the overall result as things can change spectacularly between the end of level 8 and the end of the MTT. I know that the team with the most runners left will feel agrieved but I think that the match day should either be abandoned (ie run with one fewer matchdays this season) or re-run from scratch with everyone able to re-enter including those who were already knocked out.

As for any added cash, I would suggest that this is added to a future matchday and open to all runners. To say that players who were already knocked out are not affected is actually incorrect as finishing positions may have had an impact on team points and the individual prizes on offer at the end of the season.

Anyone who thinks that any added money should be played for by just the 55 (I was one of these) and the 24 in Div 2 is just being plain greedy is my view and it"s hardly in the spirit of APAT is it?

Good luck Leigh!

+1

[fandango]

I have to agree with Steve,.. I"m sure we all play these tourneys with our foremost goal to secure points for our relevant teams.. If we was solely playing for financial gain then there are far easier games to play. On a personal note the added value 888 want to add to next tourney is a nice gesture but wouldn"t be the reason I would want restart the tourney with the 55 remaining players.. I wouldn"t expect another chance to score points if I had been eliminated earlier on in the game.. Also Ricay says he was last in chips and had no equity? I realise it takes a great deal of luck to come back from that position,but anything is possible.. I was watching a fellow team member who was down to his last 700 chips ten mins later he was in top 10 with 8.5 k I actualy felt gutted for him only to see the server crash.. I say let"s play the tourney out with no prize pool just points with remaining 55 players, and all start with equal stacks, would it not be possible for 888 to start a new tourney from blind and ante levels from where it crashed? And say divided the 195,000 chips from the 65 exits between the 55 left so in effect they all start with 7.5 k. Then have a free roll for the added value between both divisions?

[AMRN]

I say let"s play the tourney out with no prize pool just points with remaining 55 players, and all start with equal stacks, would it not be possible for 888 to start a new tourney from blind and ante levels from where it crashed? And say divided the 195,000 chips from the 65 exits between the 55 left so in effect they all start with 7.5 k. Then have a free roll for the added value between both divisions?

I think that"s as good a solution as we could get under the circumstances.

[thestinger]

IMHO - in the casino games if there is a faulty game - win or lose its void and all stakes returned - sounds like thats what happened to me.  Unfortunately there are too many variables to keep everyone happy - they could just give us all $100 free - won"t take them long to squeeze that back from the punters! Turmoil!