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Situations?
« on: September 08, 2011, 09:47:49 AM »
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You"re in a MTT with around your 2k starting stack, not much happening so far.....then a new player joins the table with over 6k halfway through level 2 and starts open raising or 3 betting every hand, initially taking down pots uncontested, but  eventually running into opponents without slowing down.

You watch him/her through next 10 minutes 3/4/5 betting and happy to shove/call all ins with hands like J/5 v A/K and Q/Q (binks a straight), Q/7 v 7/7 (Binks a bigger F/H) and Q/3 suited v 10/10 (Binks a flush). By middle of level 4 he"s up to 20k chips while you haven"t really been involved due to cards and situation. You pick up A/Q suited and open raise to 280 with villain re-popping to 750..........what do you do?
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Re: Situations?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 10:00:38 AM »
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Re: Situations?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 10:10:01 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 10:19:26 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 10:36:26 AM »

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You"re obviously a really good and experienced player George so I"d love to hear your reasoning here.

I obv went for the shove, my reasoning is that this guy"s range is any 2, it"s a great spot for me to double up as he"s a definite caller to my shove and pretty sure I"m a favourite (possibly even dominating). In addition if I fold I"ll then be sitting either waiting for bigger than AQ to try again or hoping that this guy or myself move table before blinds start chewing my chips up. I"d definitely have folded if I didn"t have the information about him, or if he"d been making these moves in occasional different spots and not facing many showdowns, but it was literally every hand.

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 10:50:54 AM »
Interested to hear George"s reason for folding here.

My reason for shove..... assuming the BB is 100, and you"re still around your 2k stack, raise/folding from a stack of 20x is usually pretty poor.... and against a maniac who"s range is ATC, is way too weak and spewy.

Assuming his range is as tight as 50% of starting hands.... you are a 62/38 favourite if he calls and gets to showdown. I would never pass up this edge in this spot.


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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 10:58:11 AM »
Couldn"t get my ch?ps ?n fast enough.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 11:19:39 AM »

Interested to hear George"s reason for folding here.

My reason for shove..... assuming the BB is 100, and you"re still around your 2k stack, raise/folding from a stack of 20x is usually pretty poor.... and against a maniac who"s range is ATC, is way too weak and spewy.

Assuming his range is as tight as 50% of starting hands.... you are a 62/38 favourite if he calls and gets to showdown. I would never pass up this edge in this spot.




+1 and yeah I was on just about 2k with blinds 50/100. Thought about waiting for a better spot but would be too reliant on either of us moving table or me picking up a better hand. This has to be the single most relentless player I"ve ever faced, possibly even alcohol fuelled I"d argue. There was just no reasoning or thought process involved in any individual hand he played, just insta raise, insta shove & insta call. And yeah he donked me with J6os, but I"m still keen to know thoughts from other players. Wondering if call/stop n go would be an option worth considering as well.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 11:52:23 AM »
Versus villains range as described, never folding. If as I suspect you found the top of his range UL GG Sigh!

Still the correct play versus his range.
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 12:01:19 PM »

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Too often I see you making one word replies George and tbh, it"s disappointing from a player of your calibre. You have so much more you can offer. :(
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 12:12:36 PM »

Versus villains range as described, never folding. If as I suspect you found the top of his range UL GG Sigh!

Still the correct play versus his range.


Cheers for the reply....

And yeah he donked me with J6os, but I"m still keen to know thoughts from other players. Wondering if call/stop n go would be an option worth considering as well.
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 12:17:43 PM »

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every time.... range is so wide your never folding AQ
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 12:46:43 PM »

This has to be the single most relentless player I"ve ever faced, possibly even alcohol fuelled I"d argue. There was just no reasoning or thought process involved in any individual hand he played, just insta raise, insta shove & insta call.


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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 12:55:09 PM »


This has to be the single most relentless player I"ve ever faced, possibly even alcohol fuelled I"d argue. There was just no reasoning or thought process involved in any individual hand he played, just insta raise, insta shove & insta call.


Aye one of my better nights........


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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 13:29:21 PM »
Next situation............

Agaian, keen to know your thinking, FYI - Spicall has been caught in a couple of pots against preflop raisers so got short stacked, hazydays has been a bit of a calling station since i sat at table about half hour ago.

Seat 1: Mentalisti (9420)
Seat 2: lamelona (14525)
Seat 3: clubbersuk (2550)
Seat 4: spicaIII (1610)
Seat 5: hazydays01 (4220)
Seat 6: teruka23 (5380)
Seat 7: Santino1967 (9335)
Seat 8: TUZANJON (2500)
Seat 10: Endeavoor (3780)
teruka23 posts small blind (100)
Santino1967 posts big blind (200)
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Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to Santino1967: [Qd, Ac]
TUZANJON folds
Endeavoor folds
Mentalisti folds
lamelona folds
clubbersuk folds
spicaIII raises 600 to 600
hazydays01 calls 600
teruka23 folds
Santino1967.....................? ? ?
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