Queens in the Big Blind

[ThinkerJE]

Partypoker NLHE Deepstack 85 players left - money starts at 80

Not been at the table for that long - so no opinions formed on the player styles/ranges

Blinds 500/1000 ante 100

UTG +1 bets 2,500 out of 50k stack
Hijack 3 bets to 6k out of 18k stack
Button flats 6k out of 27k stack
Your hero is BB with QQ and 14k behind

Thoughts?

[AMRN]

Depends on your money situation.... if you need to cash, then I think it"s reasonable to fold here so close to the bubble..... but if playing for the win, I"m going to struggle to fold QQ with only 13x behind and a big pot in the middle.

I think I"m shoving here most of the time.

Does the fact that you are 5 from the bubble cause you to think differently? If so, how would you play this if the bubble had just burst.......?

[samuel_9]

shoveing all day long

[ThinkerJE]

Does the fact that you are 5 from the bubble cause you to think differently? If so, how would you play this if the bubble had just burst.......?

Included it more for information purposes really Steve - as you might take it into account when considering the ranges of the other players.

I am not bothered about the min cash - just making the correct decision.

I would have done the same thing after the bubble had burst.

[TheSnapper]

Partypoker NLHE Deepstack 85 players left - money starts at 80

Not been at the table for that long - so no opinions formed on the player styles/ranges

Blinds 500/1000 ante 100

UTG +1 bets 2,500 out of 50k stack
Hijack 3 bets to 6k out of 18k stack
Button flats 6k out of 27k stack
Your hero is BB with QQ and 14k behind

Thoughts?

Utg +1 raise could be with a wide range.

HJ 3 bet for 6k of 18k is a really strong bet and often a monster, would expect he jams all 18 bb"s with his strong but not super strong holdings AK, AQ, JJ for example.

Button then comes along and flats which by sheer numbers alone make it more likely QQ is behind.

Yes we have a monster hand for our stack size but the action suggests our equity is pretty slim. We are likely to get called in at least two spots so have pot odds of ~3/1 but our equity is gonna be 30% max and as low as 18%.

I think its a sigh fold.

[Mikeyboy9361]

Wow, really folding Brendan? I couldn"t get it in fast enough, with QQ and 14BBs, if I am beat so be it, but a great opportunity to really get back in the mix.

[deanp27]

I think this is a fold......

.....and I hate folding

[ck1888]

Fold for me as well.  Taking into account reasons listed above and some other factors such as stack sizes, bet amounts and position.  As we have no reads some times you have to take things on face value. You have to ask yourself what do we know ?

First of all we are late in a deepstack mtt probably around 800 runners and near the money. Being deepstack there is more of a chance better players are left. The opener is opening from early into the whole table and into a whole load of re shove stacks. So with no previous reads of opening light that looks strong.

The hj is basically saying am going with this and as said before i think he re shoves everything you beat and 3 bets what has you in trouble. He is basically polarizing his range here. It looks super strong with no previous reads.

As for the button    whatever he has it"s a lemon.

Yes we have QQ but everything about this situation stinks of trouble.  I have made this call before and it"s the classic i knew i was behind i should have folded spot. 

[bhoywonder70]

Depends on your money situation.... if you need to cash, then I think it"s reasonable to fold here so close to the bubble..... but if playing for the win, I"m going to struggle to fold QQ with only 13x behind and a big pot in the middle.

I think I"m shoving here most of the time.

Does the fact that you are 5 from the bubble cause you to think differently? If so, how would you play this if the bubble had just burst.......?

Exactly this.....fold everything or shove....depends what u want...min cash or a shot at the ft

[jbworldwide]

Shove, get called by Ax, ace on flop/river, groan, go to bed

I haven"t seen one good reason to fold yet

[AMRN]

I have made this call before and it"s the classic i knew i was behind i should have folded spot. 

LOL - so many times do I think that as I hit the call button.........

[poker_jason]

Partypoker NLHE Deepstack 85 players left - money starts at 80

Not been at the table for that long - so no opinions formed on the player styles/ranges

Blinds 500/1000 ante 100

UTG +1 bets 2,500 out of 50k stack
Hijack 3 bets to 6k out of 18k stack
Button flats 6k out of 27k stack
Your hero is BB with QQ and 14k behind

Thoughts?

Utg +1 raise could be with a wide range.

HJ 3 bet for 6k of 18k is a really strong bet and often a monster, would expect he jams all 18 bb"s with his strong but not super strong holdings AK, AQ, JJ for example.

Button then comes along and flats which by sheer numbers alone make it more likely QQ is behind.

Yes we have a monster hand for our stack size but the action suggests our equity is pretty slim. We are likely to get called in at least two spots so have pot odds of ~3/1 but our equity is gonna be 30% max and as low as 18%.

I think its a sigh fold.

Given the information provided this. Me - I probably go broke. I have so much to learn......

[Sef]

fold for me here.... the 3bet im 50/50 about calling but with the flat call afterwards i think im sigh folding... purely for the fact you have no info/reads AA, KK could easily be there!

[George2Loose]

So close to the bubble it"s probs a fold.


Otherwise I call and embrace the variance

[noble1]

Shove, get called by Ax, ace on flop/river, groan, go to bed

I haven"t seen one good reason to fold yet

this logic/reason ? - http://www.paulsextonpoker.com/tip?tip=115