Season 6 Discussion

[Mikeyboy9361]

Stu"s idea for the APAT virgins event is a great one, wives and kids might be encouraged to come along and give it ago, and graduate to the big leagues at a later date.

European Tours - I do not see the point in these other than appeasing sponsors. If that is the make or break with any sponsorship deal then fine, if not then lets have more UK events.

Schedule - Is it possible not to hit every Bank Holiday weekend? I for one find these very difficult to make.

WCOAP - At DTD, brilliant, why change a winning formula.

Buy ins - Please don"t change these.

888 - I have actually really enjoyed playing on 888 and apart from one or two league games where disaster has struck it has been a good site to play on, far better than BF.

On Line League - 20 weeks maybe too long, cut it back to 12 - 15 events, this may then attract to more people playing the $50 main event games.


All structures are really good

Team Events - Great fun stick with them, team play makes for a different dynamic.

Added value - I don"t think the majority of APAT players play the events for the money, but the added value seats that BF provided were great.

But most of all just keep doing what you are doing guys!

[TheSnapper]

Curlage had some very interesting and complimentary things to say about Vilamoura in Portugal.

I think he"s over there now and I recall that he might have (or was going to) mention them to Des & Tighty.

If he doesn"t chime in...somebody poke him.

May have changed lately but afaik poker in Portugal is very strictly regulated.

It is...but Curlage has a contact at the Casino there and seemed to think there wasn"t anything that couldn"t be overcome.

I recall that Spain was pretty strict too and that went OK.

Plus if we do it in early 2013 we have plenty of time to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.

Sounds good Paulie and hope it"s possible, I"m a big fan of Portugal as a holiday destination tbh.

[Paulie_D]

European Tours - I do not see the point in these other than appeasing sponsors. If that is the make or break with any sponsorship deal then fine, if not then lets have more UK events.

Not a dig at anyone but I keep seeing this comment and I keep thinking...do they think there are lots of these every year?

There isn"t....it"s ONE event....that"s it...just one solitary, single, lone event a year.

Sure not having it MIGHT mean that you get another UK event...but no more. I know that the thought of even just one more mainland event appeals to most but if it"s timed and located right it should be no more expensive than Scotland or Newcastle or Cork.

Of course, I"m biased...I love them.

[AMRN]

European Tours - I do not see the point in these other than appeasing sponsors. If that is the make or break with any sponsorship deal then fine, if not then lets have more UK events.

Not a dig at anyone but I keep seeing this comment and I keep thinking...do they think there are lots of these every year?

There isn"t....it"s ONE event....that"s it...just one solitary, single, lone event a year.

Sure not having it MIGHT mean that you get another UK event...but no more. I know that the thought of even just one more mainland event appeals to most but if it"s timed and located right it should be no more expensive than Scotland or Newcastle or Cork.

Of course, I"m biased...I love them.

Wasn"t Spain and Estonia in the same season?

[RioRodent]

European Tours - I do not see the point in these other than appeasing sponsors. If that is the make or break with any sponsorship deal then fine, if not then lets have more UK events.

Not a dig at anyone but I keep seeing this comment and I keep thinking...do they think there are lots of these every year?

There isn"t....it"s ONE event....that"s it...just one solitary, single, lone event a year.

Sure not having it MIGHT mean that you get another UK event...but no more. I know that the thought of even just one more mainland event appeals to most but if it"s timed and located right it should be no more expensive than Scotland or Newcastle or Cork.

Of course, I"m biased...I love them.

Wasn"t Spain and Estonia in the same season?

And Vienna? I think? Not that I"m against them. I would also classify Cork (or Dublin) in the same bracket as the Euro events cost wise.

[Paulie_D]

[Curlarge]

Just got the wifi up here in very sunny Portugal. Am meeting with head honcho tomorrow, before playing the next leg of portuguese poker tour here in Monte Gordo, re possible trip and will report back to the powers that be, next week.

[bear21]

Ohh it"s a hard life Rich LOL have a good one and good luck

[Zozzy]

Buy-ins
As you are, £75 and £50, maybe an odd £25 side event ( credit crunch still hurts, note the ""big guns"" playing the Genting poker player game at £150 buy in?)  

Mooch

the ""big guns"" were playing at The Players Championship £150 not because of the credit crunch but because they are members of the Hendon Mob who have split from Full Tilt and are now sponsored by Genting.

[Moocher]

Buy-ins
As you are, £75 and £50, maybe an odd £25 side event ( credit crunch still hurts, note the ""big guns"" playing the Genting poker player game at £150 buy in?)  

Mooch

the ""big guns"" were playing at The Players Championship £150 not because of the credit crunch but because they are members of the Hendon Mob who have split from Full Tilt and are now sponsored by Genting.

Point taken, didnt know that bit,  Does that include Paul Jackson?

[TightEnd]

Yes because BRS had over 15 players in, and Paul has links with genting via his ipoker skin. You are barking up the wrong tree

[MintTrav]

As predicted, West Midlands looks likely to win the online league again - by a bigger margin than previously. It is becoming the case that the only question each year is which WM players will get the UKIPT seats. Not sure what the solution is, but this is not good for the league - numbers are already declining. Also, the league goes on a bit too long.

[scouse3465]

As predicted, West Midlands looks likely to win the online league again - by a bigger margin than previously. It is becoming the case that the only question each year is which WM players will get the UKIPT seats. Not sure what the solution is, but this is not good for the league - numbers are already declining. Also, the league goes on a bit too long.

join other teams together as i posted earlier. walsall / birmingham joined last year so leave them as they are and put other teams together to bolster regular players for each team. Recruiting new players is easy but getting regulars to turn up week in week out is a lot harder.

[SirPercival]

My twopence worth on the Live events

- Countries

1 or 2 overseas trips a year seems about right, not suitable for all but spreads the word and increases membership as well as being a jolly for those that want to go.

- Venues

I think the quality of the tournament very much depends on the attitude/experience of the card room manager and staff. I venue which may have been poor when we last visted could easily be good if they have changed management and visa versa.

- Structure

Spot on, don"t change it.

- Buy in

Spot on for Nationals and side events. I would up the £50 side events at the worlds as they are popular and have a smaller field. Perhaps some at £50 some at £100 would work.

I would also have 1 "high roller" event in the season, a bit like the pro/am but have a bigger buyin (£500?) and run satelittes throughout the year or offer entry as added value.

- Pay structure

Been debated many times before. Nobody seems to be crying out to change it back so leave as is.

- Added value

Nobody complains about this.  

- Trophies / medals

These must stay IMO. Many new APATers have commented to me that they like the idea of getting a momento for their efforts as the money soon gets spent and forgotten.

- Rules

Write a set, adopt a set, I don"t care, just stick to them. IMO the only way to do this is to have the same TDs for all tournaments. Not very practical I know but Tighty would get my vote if he fancied a change from updating.

- WCOAP

See above re buy-in. DTD is the only place to do this in UK.

- Streaming

How many people watch it? Is the cost worth it?
IMO it detracted from the updates (due to staff numbers) and for that reason I would ditch it.
Des interviews on video are way better and are there forever (unfortunatly in some cases  )

- Live updates

Lose these and you will lose some of what makes APAT what it is. Clone Tighty.

- Post event reports

Much better when they were higher profile.

- Photo galleries

Good. Make the live updates more interesting too (particularly when Tighty takes a shine for a special dealer!)

- Team events

Always popular with those that are picked and get to play, not so popular for those that aren"t.

- Side events

Gives options for the second day when knocked out on Day 1 and for that reason should stay.

- Formats, ie reentry, rebuys, etc

A mix of formats is good. Perhaps introduce something like a rebuy for a side event but not a National as is can favour those with more bankroll.

Other tours are introducing things like "win the button" and "rivers turbo". Bounty tournaments are popping up everywhere. APAT are behind the pack in this area IMO.

- Guarantees

Are they needed when events generally sell out anyway? If we find a sponsor willing to put them up how long would they stay if they constantly had overlay?

- Schedule, ie is one event a month right, etc

Yes

[lucasj37]