Season 6 Discussion

[Des]

I have a schedule written down too

Selling tickets to watch the discussion between Des and I, £5 a pop

I"ll buy you a ticket...you watch and I"ll talk

[SirPercival]

I have a schedule written down too

Selling tickets to watch the discussion between Des and I, £5 a pop

I"ll buy you a ticket...you watch and I"ll talk

Although it appears Tighty has just been OWNED by Des I would happily pay the £5 to watch as Tighty now makes life difficult for Des until he gives in on whatever point Tighty wants to win.

[SirPercival]

I (like many) find this the hardest month with regard spare pennies which generally prevents me from going.

I don"t know how many would agree...although it could be a few, but it would be the cheapest time to go to somewhere like Spain/Portugal.

As it would be (under my "plan") the final event it shouldn"t impact on the schedule too much but I"m interested ( and I expect Des/Tighty would be) in other opinions.

If not January..then when?

March

March is kinda locked in for Ireland (I think)...but I"m sure Tighty will take it into consideration.

November

[Paulie_D]

November

Yeah...I think that would be the probable alternative but I think many would say that they need to save for Christmas so that"s another issue.

I guess there is no real "right" answer that will suit everyone....SIGH!  

[bear21]

Febuary ??

[duke3016]

[mporter123]

[Des]

[Paulie_D]

Well that"s a very interesting point, because one of the proposed events being debated at the moment is a National League Live event, run like the UK Team Championship. 

The objective being to incentivise players to become more involved with the National Online League and to reward those who do with entry to this event.

Would welcome thoughts from everyone?

I feel about that as others feel about the European events....if the "existing" events don"t suffer then I don"t have a problem with it.

I do have the feeling though that the majority (who expressed an opinion) were of the thought that there wasn"t any demand for MORE team events. Of course I could be wrong....it"s just my impression.

Perhaps replacing the Pub Poker Team event with a team event that incentivises the exiting base who don"t play live might be an option.

[Des]

Well that"s a very interesting point, because one of the proposed events being debated at the moment is a National League Live event, run like the UK Team Championship. 

The objective being to incentivise players to become more involved with the National Online League and to reward those who do with entry to this event.

Would welcome thoughts from everyone?

I feel about that as others feel about the European events....if the "existing" events don"t suffer then I don"t have a problem with it.

I do have the feeling though that the majority (who expressed an opinion) were of the thought that there wasn"t any demand for MORE team events. Of course I could be wrong....it"s just my impression.

Perhaps replacing the Pub Poker Team event with a team event that incentivises the exiting base who don"t play live might be an option.

We"re certainly not looking to increase the number of team events in the calendar at the moment.

But using one to incentivise online participation could be a win win.

[jbworldwide]

I wish online sats were more successful, I would like to see more of these feeders run.

[TheSnapper]

Ahh the online league conundrum rears its head again.

My thoughts fwtw.

Numbers is a huge problem and I see no reason to change my original and often made point on this, a team of 7-10 players has no chance of competing with a team of 20-30 players. I fully understand the recruitment aspect of the competition, any potential sponsor would find it an attractive benefit to have apat league captains touting to bring players onto their platform, but! to date there"s been a kinda contra like affect. Team "A" recruits really well and grows from a 10 to a 17 plus player team, team "B" remains at 10 players and cannot compete, players lose incentive and drop out. Team "B" dissolves and the league is minus a team and nett minus 3 players. On top of that the grey area that is "team tactics" also causes consternation among players erodes team spirit and has caused players to leave the game.

To have any chance of surviving imho, teams must be of equal numbers. How do we do this?

How about........

• Teams of 10 or less


• Clubs can have multiple teams ( A,B,& C ) promotion within is optional ie: move up ranks from team "C" to team "A"  


• League played as STT"s, one player per team at each table and points awarded as in World team event.

Benefits.

• Enhanced Team spirit


• Level playing field


• All points count so all players are included in team effort


• Grey area of Club v Club soft play is eliminated and team spirit enhanced


• Recruitment is still a legitmate option for Clubs but will not eliminate the weaker numbered Clubs


• Starting a new Club / Team is a less onerous task


• Shorter match length. ie: 1.5 hrs will fit easier into players lives

Imho much like the overall APAT ethos, Team spirit and camraderie is the niche selling point for this event and we should strive to eliminate all factors that diminish or hinder that aspect of the League.

[Des]

Ahh the online league conundrum rears its head again.

My thoughts fwtw.

Numbers is a huge problem and I see no reason to change my original and often made point on this, a team of 7-10 players has no chance of competing with a team of 20-30 players. I fully understand the recruitment aspect of the competition, any potential sponsor would find it an attractive benefit to have apat league captains touting to bring players onto their platform, but! to date there"s been a kinda contra like affect. Team "A" recruits really well and grows from a 10 to a 17 plus player team, team "B" remains at 10 players and cannot compete, players lose incentive and drop out. Team "B" dissolves and the league is minus a team and nett minus 3 players. On top of that the grey area that is "team tactics" also causes consternation among players erodes team spirit and has caused players to leave the game.

To have any chance of surviving imho, teams must be of equal numbers. How do we do this?

How about........

• Teams of 10 or less


• Clubs can have multiple teams ( A,B,& C ) promotion within is optional ie: move up ranks from team "C" to team "A"  


• League played as STT"s, one player per team at each table and points awarded as in World team event.

Benefits.

• Enhanced Team spirit


• Level playing field


• All points count so all players are included in team effort


• Grey area of Club v Club soft play is eliminated and team spirit enhanced


• Recruitment is still a legitmate option for Clubs but will not eliminate the weaker numbered Clubs


• Starting a new Club / Team is a less onerous task


• Shorter match length. ie: 1.5 hrs will fit easier into players lives

Imho much like the overall APAT ethos, Team spirit and camraderie is the niche selling point for this event and we should strive to eliminate all factors that diminish or hinder that aspect of the League.

Great post Brendan.  Can it work organisationally?

[PHIL_TC]

Love Brendan"s post, the only problem for us smaller teams would be getting a guaranteed core of 10 who could play every single league game. However I love the proposed format and structure.

The current scoring system with only 3 teams scoring really has made getting people to play for Stockton impossible other than them treating it as just a $10 game and for the crack which may result in our relegation. Its no wonder the numbers have dropped to the levels they have done, and would predict they wont get any better for whats left of the season which is a real shame.

Anyway in summary massive plus one for Brendans proposal from Stockton x

[AJDUK]

As predicted, West Midlands looks likely to win the online league again - by a bigger margin than previously. It is becoming the case that the only question each year is which WM players will get the UKIPT seats. Not sure what the solution is, but this is not good for the league - numbers are already declining. Also, the league goes on a bit too long.

West Midlands have never won the league