Season 6 Discussion

[pokerpops]

Sundays for online nationals x

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[AMRN]

not so much live over online but number of runners

there should be a sliding scale - say top 10% get points starting from 1 to whatever..

so 59 runner event like last night - top 6 get points, 1 for 6th up to 6 for winning
414 runner event like WCOAP - top 41 get points, 1 for 41st up to 41 for the bink.

Love this. On the face of it, this could be a perfect solution.

The problem - in general, rather than specifically APAT - is that league numbers tend to decrease the further you progress through the season, significantly impacted by people stopping playing when they realise they have no chance of winning.

If the number of points were tied to the number of runners then this would lead to fewer and fewer points being available throughout the season and so this process would get accelerated.

In practice the demand for APAT seats is still high enough throughout the season for this not to cause such a large impact, but I don"t think you can take that for granted - I don"t think something should be introduced which could reduce the demand for APAT seats like this could.

But the live tournaments do have more runners than online, if the rankings continued as combined then this suggestion would rebalance the rankings a bit, and would do so in a way that would stimulate demand for the live tournaments rather than suppress it.

I wouldn"t advocate this approach for the online league - but it feels like it would be excellent for the seasonal rankings.

[PHIL_TC]

I wouldn"t advocate this approach for the online league - but it feels like it would be excellent for the seasonal rankings.

My predictions for this for 2012 are

1. Summer
2. Spring
3. Autumn
4. Winter

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[nosey-p]

In season 1 I finished on the FT 5 times in 200+ runners, on line. I was beat in the rankings by someone who finished 2 times on the FT in live play. 

Should be 2 separate leagues  

[AMRN]

In season 1 I finished on the FT 5 times in 200+ runners, on line.

Blatant brag thread hijack!  

Should be 2 separate leagues  

Disagree.  Online and Live are just two different variants of poker. We don"t separate rankings leagues for NLHE, PLO, HORSE, Stud, etc...       In my opinion, a single league can work really well, IF we are able to get the weightings right between the variants.

[Chipaccrual]

I think that the rankings are due a revamp.

I would like to see a structure that takes into account the buyin, number of runners, whether it"s live or online.


The top 10% should earn ranking points, with a multiplier based on buyin (which would also take into account a differential between live and online)

$10 (Equivalent to Online League) = 0.5
$20 (Equivalent to Online Side Event) = 1
$50-$100 (Equivalent to Online Main Event or Live Side Event) = 1.5
$120+ (Equivalent to Live Main Event) = 2

Some examples :-

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

^^^ This scoring seems to make the online pretty irrelevant?

I wouldn"t say it"s irrelevant, but simply reflects the fewer runners and cheaper buyins.

[AMRN]

I think that the rankings are due a revamp.

I would like to see a structure that takes into account the buyin, number of runners, whether it"s live or online.


The top 10% should earn ranking points, with a multiplier based on buyin (which would also take into account a differential between live and online)

$10 (Equivalent to Online League) = 0.5
$20 (Equivalent to Online Side Event) = 1
$50-$100 (Equivalent to Online Main Event or Live Side Event) = 1.5
$120+ (Equivalent to Live Main Event) = 2

Some examples :-

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

^^^ This scoring seems to make the online pretty irrelevant?

I wouldn"t say it"s irrelevant, but simply reflects the fewer runners and cheaper buyins.

I like the weighting system, but in the example given, one person could win 13 online league MTTs with 120 runners in each - and be outranked by someone who just plays one solitary APAT event and happens to win the WCOAP ME..... surely beating 120 runners 13 times should outweigh a single event winner?

Principle is sound - just need the weightings to be tweaked, in my opinion.

[Donka]

Is there a provisional list of cities available yet for the live amateur tour? It seems like there won"t be a Scotland leg so would be keen to know the best options for travel so I have an idea where to plan for. I appreciate dates aren"t available at the moment.
Out of curiosity, any specific reason why we can"t get a leg on in Ediburgh?

[Des]

Is there a provisional list of cities available yet for the live amateur tour? It seems like there won"t be a Scotland leg so would be keen to know the best options for travel so I have an idea where to plan for. I appreciate dates aren"t available at the moment.
Out of curiosity, any specific reason why we can"t get a leg on in Ediburgh?

We"ve run the Scottish Amateur Championship in Edinburgh in three of the last five seasons and there are absolutely no plans to not go to Scotland in season six.  The Scottish leg; if not the pies, is always a cracking event.

[Donka]

We"ve run the Scottish Amateur Championship in Edinburgh in three of the last five seasons and there are absolutely no plans to not go to Scotland in season six.  The Scottish leg; if not the pies, is always a cracking event.

Great news. I"ve only played the last two years in Aberdeen & Glasgow but thought after the problems last year and the tone in the thread that there wouldn"t be a Scottish event this year. I"ll be sure to spread the APAT word.

[MintTrav]

I think that the rankings are due a revamp.

I would like to see a structure that takes into account the buyin, number of runners, whether it"s live or online.


The top 10% should earn ranking points, with a multiplier based on buyin (which would also take into account a differential between live and online)

$10 (Equivalent to Online League) = 0.5
$20 (Equivalent to Online Side Event) = 1
$50-$100 (Equivalent to Online Main Event or Live Side Event) = 1.5
$120+ (Equivalent to Live Main Event) = 2

Some examples :-

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

^^^ This scoring seems to make the online pretty irrelevant?

I wouldn"t say it"s irrelevant, but simply reflects the fewer runners and cheaper buyins.

I like the weighting system, but in the example given, one person could win 13 online league MTTs with 120 runners in each - and be outranked by someone who just plays one solitary APAT event and happens to win the WCOAP ME..... surely beating 120 runners 13 times should outweigh a single event winner?

Principle is sound - just need the weightings to be tweaked, in my opinion.

I agree - interesting proposal but too much weighting for the WCOAP ME. It shouldn"t be worth almost three times the points that a normal National would get.

Online league winners don"t get any ranking points at present Steve - not sure whether Leigh is aware of a change of a change in APAT's thinking on this.

[AMRN]

I think that the rankings are due a revamp.

I would like to see a structure that takes into account the buyin, number of runners, whether it"s live or online.


The top 10% should earn ranking points, with a multiplier based on buyin (which would also take into account a differential between live and online)

$10 (Equivalent to Online League) = 0.5
$20 (Equivalent to Online Side Event) = 1
$50-$100 (Equivalent to Online Main Event or Live Side Event) = 1.5
$120+ (Equivalent to Live Main Event) = 2

Some examples :-

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

^^^ This scoring seems to make the online pretty irrelevant?

I wouldn"t say it"s irrelevant, but simply reflects the fewer runners and cheaper buyins.

I like the weighting system, but in the example given, one person could win 13 online league MTTs with 120 runners in each - and be outranked by someone who just plays one solitary APAT event and happens to win the WCOAP ME..... surely beating 120 runners 13 times should outweigh a single event winner?

Principle is sound - just need the weightings to be tweaked, in my opinion.

I agree - interesting proposal but too much weighting for the WCOAP ME. It shouldn"t be worth almost three times the points that a normal National would get.

Online league winners don"t get any ranking points at present Steve - not sure whether Leigh is aware of a change of a change in APAT's thinking on this.

Spotted that, and presumed it might be a subliminal announcement....

[Des]

We moved from subliminal (season two) to direct (season 6) - hence this thread, perhaps taking a little detour through "soon" along the way.

I like Leigh's idea though.  Anything that can incentivise players to participate in the league is very much to our benefit in negotiations with the operators.

[Chipaccrual]

I no longer know anything, although some may question if I ever knew anything in the first place.  My views are purely my own thoughts.

I agree the weighting needs sorting, but in principle I think that this style of ranking would offer a chance to compare all APAT players against each other, irrelevant of whether you play the league, or just online, or just live, or every event you can.

[gerry5421]

Is there a provisional list of cities available yet for the live amateur tour? It seems like there won"t be a Scotland leg so would be keen to know the best options for travel so I have an idea where to plan for. I appreciate dates aren"t available at the moment.
Out of curiosity, any specific reason why we can"t get a leg on in Ediburgh?

We"ve run the Scottish Amateur Championship in Edinburgh in three of the last five seasons and there are absolutely no plans to not go to Scotland in season six.  The Scottish leg; if not the pies, is always a cracking event.

wheres the like button when u need one, lol