Season 6 Discussion

[Jon MW]

I no longer know anything, although some may question if I ever knew anything in the first place.  My views are purely my own thoughts.

I agree the weighting needs sorting, but in principle I think that this style of ranking would offer a chance to compare all APAT players against each other, irrelevant of whether you play the league, or just online, or just live, or every event you can.

The weighting is pretty key.

If you have ranking points for the online league games, national games and omaha side events - too high a weighting could make the live results irrelevant but too low a weighting (for the league games for example) could make them irrelevant.

If we could balance out all those online points scoring opportunities with extra live events (regionals?) that would work  

[George2Loose]

I think that the rankings are due a revamp.

I would like to see a structure that takes into account the buyin, number of runners, whether it"s live or online.


The top 10% should earn ranking points, with a multiplier based on buyin (which would also take into account a differential between live and online)

$10 (Equivalent to Online League) = 0.5
$20 (Equivalent to Online Side Event) = 1
$50-$100 (Equivalent to Online Main Event or Live Side Event) = 1.5
$120+ (Equivalent to Live Main Event) = 2

Some examples :-

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

^^^ This scoring seems to make the online pretty irrelevant?

I wouldn"t say it"s irrelevant, but simply reflects the fewer runners and cheaper buyins.

I like the weighting system, but in the example given, one person could win 13 online league MTTs with 120 runners in each - and be outranked by someone who just plays one solitary APAT event and happens to win the WCOAP ME..... surely beating 120 runners 13 times should outweigh a single event winner?

Principle is sound - just need the weightings to be tweaked, in my opinion.

I agree - interesting proposal but too much weighting for the WCOAP ME. It shouldn"t be worth almost three times the points that a normal National would get.

Online league winners don"t get any ranking points at present Steve - not sure whether Leigh is aware of a change of a change in APAT's thinking on this.

Spotted that, and presumed it might be a subliminal announcement....

A way of countering this is to have participation points for each event and perhaps having a points booster say after every 10 events. This will reward those loyal to APAT

[dwh103]

Have the suggested type of points system if necessary - just ensure there is a minimum number of points available.

[Chipaccrual]

Enough discussion, are we there yet ?

This is so tilting being out of the loop, it is unreal.

[Fatcatstu]

Enough discussion, are we there yet ?

This is so tilting being out of the loop, it is unreal.

theres an easy solution to that one isnt there...

[Chipaccrual]

Enough discussion, are we there yet ?

This is so tilting being out of the loop, it is unreal.

theres an easy solution to that one isnt there...

The Terms & Conditions would be far too complicated I think.  

[SirPercival]

Enough discussion, are we there yet ?

This is so tilting being out of the loop, it is unreal.

theres an easy solution to that one isnt there...

The Terms & Conditions would be far too complicated I think.  

and that"s before you even talk to Des and co.

[RioRodent]

WCOAP Main Event winner (based on 400 runners) = 40x2 = 80pts
National Event winner (based on 150 runners) = 15x2 = 30pts
Online Main Event Winner (based on 80 runners) = 8x1.5 = 12pts
Online League Matchday Winner (based on 120 runners) = 12x.5 = 6pts

How about using the Pocket 5"s ranking formula? I haven"t read up on how it has evolved, but I"m sure better, more analytical minds than mine were involved! If you need to know the thinking behind it, look here - http://www.pocketfives.com/leaderboard-formula-faq

The calculator itself and the formula can be found here - http://www.pocketfives.com/plb-calculator/

It would provide the following range of points, based on;

- The field size / buy-in examples above
- Points only awarded to ITM places (10% of field used for each example)
- £1 live = $1 online (since £ for £ the standard online is generally higher, this seems a reasonable exchange rate?)

Runners/Buy-In	1st Place	Last ITM place
400 @ £100	200	21.87
150 @ £75	106.07	20.89
80 @ $50	63.25	18.6
120 @ $10	34.64	7.8

Never been one to re-invent the wheel.

[Jon MW]

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A way of countering this is to have participation points for each event and perhaps having a points booster say after every 10 events. This will reward those loyal to APAT

Participation points are a very good way of encouraging play - but a very bad way of measuring skill.

I had a thought about national ranking points for league games though.

Instead of points per game - which would horribly skew the rankings to favour online players

The final league table could be awarded national ranking points - as if it"s an additional national championship.

18 points down to 1 for the top 18 in the league:
     (i)   obviously a legitimate measure of skill
     (ii)  encourages extra participation in the league
     (iii)  but doesn"t excessively distort the rankings against the players who don"t play the league

2 leagues per season = 2 extra sets of National Championship ranking points to fight for

[AceOnTheRiver]

Season 5 is Over, Does that mean we can have an anouncement about Season 6?

Can we?

Please?

Are we there yet?

[Paulie_D]

Season 5 is Over, Does that mean we can have an anouncement about Season 6?

Can we?

Please?

Are we there yet?

To quote a certain close-mounted ginger...."Not yet".

I understand there are still some details to iron out in the next few days.

When everything is in place...he"ll drop the word....at least I am so assured.

I hinted at 1st February but he remained tight-lipped.

[God]

Good times.

[samuel_9]

when dose season 6 start........sooooooooon i hope

[bhoywonder70]

 The nation awaits

[HOLDorFOLD]

when dose season 6 start........sooooooooon i hope

Worthy of a second outing this Pie Chart ;-)