JJ in late position

[duke3016]

Brendan, one of these days I will understand your posts  

[AMRN]

[ ] Brendan, one of these days I will understand your posts  

FYP

[pokerpops]

Thanks for the comments and the reassurances

All seems fine to me. WP

Does our view of the whole hand change if we know that the Villain is Bluen0se11?

[deanp27]

No idea

[AMRN]

Thanks for the comments and the reassurances

All seems fine to me. WP

Does our view of the whole hand change if we know that the Villain is Bluen0se11?

Makes it a 100% call on the river - he"s too good to be checking the flop and turn on that wet board with anything that beats JJ

[TheSnapper]

Thanks for the comments and the reassurances

All seems fine to me. WP

Does our view of the whole hand change if we know that the Villain is Bluen0se11?

Makes it a 100% call on the river - he"s too good to be checking the flop and turn on that wet board with anything that beats JJ

You think he bets QQ,KQ,KJ on the flop?

or 66 on the turn?

 

[Marty719]

Thanks for the comments and the reassurances

All seems fine to me. WP

Does our view of the whole hand change if we know that the Villain is Bluen0se11?

Makes it a 100% call on the river - he"s too good to be checking the flop and turn on that wet board with anything that beats JJ

You think he bets QQ,KQ,KJ on the flop?

or 66 on the turn?

 

I think he should be betting all these hands ott.  Maybe not QQ 100%, but certainly a reasonable amount, esp w/ .

[TheSnapper]

You think he bets QQ,KQ,KJ on the flop?

or 66 on the turn?
 

I think he should be betting all these hands ott.  Maybe not QQ 100%, but certainly a reasonable amount, esp w/ .

I agree he "should" though its close and it depends on how both players view each other but we"ve gotten to the river and I still think its reasonable for those hands to be in his range.

[deanp27]

I would imagine most competent players would "cbet" all there kx hands at least, as well as aces etc and might check queens and weaker made hands.

[TheSnapper]

I would imagine most competent players would "cbet" all there kx hands at least, as well as aces etc and might check queens and weaker made hands.

Certainly with AA and AK you can bet that flop for value not so sure there"s much value for Kx though (excluding KT obviously).

[samuel_9]

if i arived late and had jj i would ***** wossy my chips in to a wase and hoop he would call and trebel me up but thats jist me  myself and    rrrrrrrraaaaaaammmmmmbbbbbO me tinks me mad

[pokerpops]

APAT US online Champs

Blinds 50/100

UTG $9710 raises to 262 - his second raise of the tourney. HEM Says 63 hands, VPIP 10% Raised 5%
Me $7198 calls with  jd jc - I don"t know why I didn"t raise here. Possibly because the HEM stats slowed me down?
button and blinds fold

Pot 674
Flop  :: td kd

UTG checks
I check behind, again I don"t know why I did this. I gave UTG such a tight range for his raise UTG and yet, without the stats from the HUD I"d for sure be betting here. I"d bet it live without a strong live tell or knowledge

Turn  
again check check - I"m still paralysed by the fear that I"m going to get check raised or some such and loathing my life on a board that I really ought to be more than happy with

River  

UTG bets 674 - half pot...

I have to call don"t I?

I called

and lost to his rivered two pair as he showed  

Readless, that is, without the HEM stats I raise here 100% pre and c-bet the flop when checked to (if he calls pre)

as it was, all I could do was smile and make a note

[AMRN]

I called

and lost to his rivered two pair as he showed  

Readless, that is, without the HEM stats I raise here 100% pre and c-bet the flop when checked to (if he calls pre)

as it was, all I could do was smile and make a note

Don"t be results oriented. Without knowing the result, this thread has pretty much agreed that you played it correctly preflop. The range of an UTG raiser includes so much that will 4-bet if you raise..... and with JJ against an unknown UTG 4-bet, calling or shoving would be way too -EV.... 

Ask yourself what you would have done if you raised and he 4-bet. If the answer is fold (which without reads, it probably should be), then flat calling was your best play.  

As for play on later streets, I"ve no problem with the passive line here as you"re unlikely to get much value from any hands  worse than JJ, but will always get called by the hands that beat you.

[pokerpops]

I try not to be results oriented - I think I"m fine with the way I played it based on what I knew at the time

but I wish I"d known then what I now know  


Oh and is having a range of 10 10 +, AJs+ to  3bet to 630ish with only the bottom end of that folding so bad? I"m 3bet calling/5betting with QQ+ AQs+ and  AK




disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above

[PHIL_TC]

disclaimer - my 3bet range may occasionally include hands other than those listed above

Really?? based on last night.. massive lies   x