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Poker Forum => Awards Archive => APAT Awards => APAT Awards 2011 => Topic started by: Des on December 19, 2011, 18:00:15 PM
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Announcement of winners will be on December 30th.
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You"re an evil man.
How are we supposed to choose someone for the Hall of Fame?! All 4 deserve to go in, IMO!
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You"re an evil man.
How are we supposed to choose someone for the Hall of Fame?! All 4 deserve to go in, IMO!
Agreed it"s a tough one.
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just choose me go on u no u want 2 merry xiemas
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UMMM, how do we vote or am i beign stupid?
*Sorry, its cause i wasnt logged in.
POY witout a doubt is Sam Trickett. On top of them tourny cashes, he has also had at least 2 Million £ sessions playing the highest stakes in Macau.
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UMMM, how do we vote or am i beign stupid?
*Sorry, its cause i wasnt logged in.
POY witout a doubt is Sam Trickett. On top of them tourny cashes, he has also had at least 2 Million £ sessions playing the highest stakes in Macau.
^ this ;)
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All done :)
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All done :)
Well done to all who were nominated.
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Was nt going to post this on the forum but how can someone be nominated for winning 1 tournament in APAT and not even scored another point in apat but gets nominated as APAT player of the year .
Nothing against the lad dont even know him but surely this is wrong !
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Was nt going to post this on the forum but how can someone be nominated for winning 1 tournament in APAT and not even scored another point in apat but gets nominated as APAT player of the year .
Nothing against the lad dont even know him but surely this is wrong !
I was kinda thinking along the same lines Steve, would"ve liked this to go to a more regular APAT"er. Suspect the votes may go elsewhere anyway but definitely agree with your point mate.
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Any APAT member was entitled to be nominated and the member in question had a great year, winning our largest tournament in addition to other large extermal events - so as far as I"m concerned; and we"ve already had this discussion Steve, the nomination is valid. Nomination is one thing. I do think it will be quite difficult to "win" this particular category without being well known on the APAT tour. We"ll know next week. Either way, I don"t think there is any gain to be had in bringing this up?!
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Have to say that Dave is a great nomination.
Doesn"t mean you can"t vote for me though ;) ;D
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I know we have Des and i know its stands i was wondering other peoples opinion. And yer he has had a great year but the nominations was for apat player of the year not 1 apat event and other stuff.
More wondering peoples thinking for nominations obviously their choice or if they just mis read the category.
And also thought nominations were nominations and not just votes , that is what happening now.
Anyway just wondered what others thought I DO NOT want anything changed and dont want to take anything away from awards just asking for other opinions.
And if things dont get brought up Des how can they improve.
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Des I think we"re referring more around the community side of APAT here, and I know you understand that so it"s just a case of gauging opinions. Again I can only agree that Dave completely deserved his WCOAP victory and has had a fantastic year.....and yes he"s an APAT member, but is he a member of the APAT community? I can"t answer that as I don"t know Dave, his username or whether or not he"s played at other APAT events before or after DTD. So for my part I can only state that this is in no way some kind of witch hunt, alternatively I have huge admiration for his summer results and from hearing the praise about his play. In the same sense, could we then argue that someone like Roberto Romanello be nominated, having won EPT Czech Republic and WPT Slovenia? Or A.N. Other be nominated for the amount they"ve won at cash tables this year?
Our forum is one of the reasons that APAT is particularly special to be a part of, so I think it"s also the best place to raise this kind of issue. Regardless of who agrees/disagrees with the point, it"s definitely a valid point worthy of discussion.
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I don"t disagree with any of that Grant. The member in question won our biggest event of the season, so the comparison with Roberto is probably not comparable. I agree the forum is open for all discussions, I just think we need to be careful over the timing of this discussion. People are voting on the awards this week...this may or may not influence how they vote.
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Absolutely fair point Des. Too late to change this year"s nominations so may be worth starting a thread around the nomination process in the middle of 2012.
Cheers
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Someone has seen fit to nominate the guy - there"s nothing at all wrong with that, but it doesn"t mean he"s won the award.
My vote went to a more recognised APAT face, as I"m sure did many others. Democracy is a wonderful thing.
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WAS IT ME AMRN ;)
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Ha ha just spotted this. I"ll be first to say that I was surprised to be nominated in this category so sorry if this has upset anyone.
I have played 6 or 7 APAT events of the last few years which doesn"t qualify me as an APAT reg but I will be more involved this year. I was highly unlikely to win this so sorry If I blocked someone more deserving.
Dave
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I have to say it seemed an odd nomination, as I can think of at least three players who had an outstanding year in APAT events and who were IMO more deserving of the recognition, but who didn"t appear on the list. Nothing against Dave, who I was seated beside at the Forum Team event last January and had a great laugh with, but I think it was the only APAT he played apart from the one he won.
I am also a little surprised that discussion is not encouraged on the "Awards Discussion" thread before voting has completed. What is the purpose of it if members are told not to discuss the awards?
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I have to say it seemed an odd nomination, as I can think of at least three players who had an outstanding year in APAT events and who were IMO more deserving of the recognition, but who didn"t appear on the list. Nothing against Dave, who I was seated beside at the Forum Team event last January and had a great laugh with, but I think it was the only APAT he played apart from the one he won.
I am also a little surprised that discussion is not encouraged on the "Awards Discussion" thread before voting has completed. What is the purpose of it if members are told not to discuss the awards?
We were asked to nominate and then to vote. I"m not sure why discussion is needed. There"s too much chance of offending someone if discussion takes place. It"s so easy to read more into written comments than the writer intends.
Anyone who appears in the top 4 of our nominations deserves their place on the list, regardless of our own personal opinions.
I suggest a tweak for POY and hall of fame type awards: We could allow members to openly nominate their choice and why. Not much different from now, but Des could operate a closed thread on which those that wish to "big up" others could indirectly post. Private nominations allowed too. This could result in a more informed nomination process for all of us and should ensure nobody worthy of consideration is overlooked. Like John, I can think of one or two individuals completely overlooked in a couple of categories. Not necessarily missed winners, but just getting a mention could give great encouragement to someone. Just a thought.
Congrats to all the winners.
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I have to say it seemed an odd nomination, as I can think of at least three players who had an outstanding year in APAT events and who were IMO more deserving of the recognition, but who didn"t appear on the list. Nothing against Dave, who I was seated beside at the Forum Team event last January and had a great laugh with, but I think it was the only APAT he played apart from the one he won.
I am also a little surprised that discussion is not encouraged on the "Awards Discussion" thread before voting has completed. What is the purpose of it if members are told not to discuss the awards?
I have to say I don"t find it odd at all John, granted I don"t play as many Apat events as you guys but Dave is a player I am quite familiar with maybe that"s just because his game impressed me though. I did watch the finale at DTD where from 2 tables out it appeared there would only be one winner and imho that superb performance was enough on its own to merit nomination.
I guess that"s the crux of the matter though, some will have good insight into the individual player and others will exclaim Dave who? It"s kind of similar to the inevitable dilemma faced by successive Team England Captains, they have such a broad choice over such a large geographical area that it"s impossible to to know all potential candidates and thus somebody somewhere will be proclaiming how they got it so wrong.
People are voting on the awards this week...this may or may not influence how they vote.
Is it possible the naysayers may have swayed some votes in the winners direction?
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I think the nomination process ensures that those people from APAT organising the awards are aware of all potential suitors for an award. Everyone is given equal opportunity to make nominations, and really, once those nominations are released I think it is unfair for anyone to comment on who should be in or not.
One thing I would like to see is the removal of the voting process for the Hall of Fame entry. I would hope that I am not speaking out of turn here, but I think people should be able to put forward a nomination for the APAT Hall of Fame along with a seconder at anytime. The nominations could be reviewed annually and any number of people could be included.
as I mentioned in the other thread, I feel that the other three nominees deserve the accolade in their own rights for many differing reasons and for it to be down to a vote which can often be influenced by the timing of it, seems a little unfair.
Just my thoughts.
Do I get a trophy Des ? ;)
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This "Awards" happen anymore??
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Yes, this year the awards will be announced around the WCOAP.