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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => National Online League => Topic started by: Des on February 16, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
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APAT had hoped to adopt a soft attitude to players selecting a Region based on strong friendships formed through previous leagues and players wishing to play for the Region they were born in, as opposed to the one they play in now. However, some questions have been raised about this policy and for that reason we are now stating the following.
Players can only register for the Region within which they currently live.
We apologise if this causes some unhappiness, but in the interests of providing as level a playing field as possible we felt the directive was required.
If you fall into the category of having signed up for your incorrect Region, then please delete your posted PokerStars ID and re-register within the Region that you currently live in.
Thanks again and I hope all will view this directive within the spirit it was intended.
Des.
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Really?
So I can"t play for Scotland? Nor can GiMac or Honeybadg!
3 players who have all represented Scotland in live events.
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Really?
So I can"t play for Scotland? Nor can GiMac or Honeybadg!
3 players who have all represented Scotland in live events.
Surely that will come as a great relief.
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Really?
So I can"t play for Scotland? Nor can GiMac or Honeybadg!
3 players who have all represented Scotland in live events.
It"s not an International Team Stuart, it"s a Regional Team and if you live in a different Region then the "rule" requests you play for that Region.
I know it"s a bit of a pain, but clearly the norm in team orientated sports and games.
As always, we"d appreciate your support.
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In the interests of fairness then should the ruling not be either where you live now or where you were born/from? 2 choices? perfect example above!?
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Having read the league thread I think this is an excellent rule ("directive") to refresh the whole competition and hopefully players will appreciate its purpose.
A Regional map might be a good idea to help clarify further and maybe even up the catchment areas slighlty more.
APAT had hoped to adopt a soft attitude to players selecting a Region based on strong friendships formed through previous leagues and players wishing to play for the Region they were born in, as opposed to the one they play in now. However, some questions have been raised about this policy and for that reason we are now stating the following.
Players can only register for the Region within which they currently live.
We apologise if this causes some unhappiness, but in the interests of providing as level a playing field as possible we felt the directive was required.
If you fall into the category of having signed up for your incorrect Region, then please delete your posted PokerStars ID and re-register within the Region that you currently live in.
Thanks again and I hope all will view this directive within the spirit it was intended.
Des.
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In the interests of fairness then should the ruling not be either where you live now or where you were born/from? 2 choices? perfect example above!?
Shouldnt be a choice imo, registered pokerstars address would be very clear.
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In the interests of fairness then should the ruling not be either where you live now or where you were born/from? 2 choices? perfect example above!?
For the purpose of this League Paul, I think it"s better that the requirement is extremely clear. This is the only fair way to do it and what we all want at the end of the day is a fair and competitive League.
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Clearly Paul is expressing this view as he wants me in the Scotland team.
Even more obviuos that he hasn"t seen me play - lol
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In the interests of fairness then should the ruling not be either where you live now or where you were born/from? 2 choices? perfect example above!?
For the purpose of this League Paul, I think it"s better that the requirement is extremely clear. This is the only fair way to do it and what we all want at the end of the day is a fair and competitive League.
I think the majority thought it was fair to start with tbh
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Clearly Paul is expressing this view as he wants me in the Scotland team.
Even more obviuos that he hasn"t seen me play - lol
lol was hoping to teach you some stuff. heehee :P
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Once you commit to a Region at the start of a season, no matter where you might move to during the season, you will be eligible to play for that Region.
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Once you commit to a Region at the start of a season, no matter where you might move to during the season, you will be eligible to play for that Region.
But you"re now being forced to commit to a certain region? You said yesterday that people could choose a team outwith the region they live if it was justified? Is this still the case?
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Sorry but this is complete ****** (post will probably be deleted). If there had been an aberdeen region, an edinburgh region, a glasgow region etc then fair enough, but you have chosen to make whole countries regions, i.e. Wales, Scotland, Ireland etc. I might rush home to make it to play for Scotland, but I am never rushing home to play for Stockton, North East, North Yorkshire, or whatever region I happen to live in this week, in fact I probably wouldn"t even bother playing.
Rather than making a carte blanche ruling without any discussion with apat members, why don"t you run a poll and see what peoples thoughts are? Question along lines of Which team are you eligible to play for? with responses 1) Where you were born, 2) Where you now live, 3) Choice of one or the other.
At least see what your players think. ::)
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Once you commit to a Region at the start of a season, no matter where you might move to during the season, you will be eligible to play for that Region.
But you"re now being forced to commit to a certain region? You said yesterday that people could choose a team outwith the region they live if it was justified? Is this still the case?
Paul - are you just deliberately being awkward? I hope I"ve been very clear in what I posted this morning, to make up for not being clear yesterday. The harder implementation of this rule is due to concerns shown by several members yesterday. Ultimately it"s APAT's role to ensure the playing field is as fair and level as possible, to ensure our events are not called into disrepute. I feel the position is clear now. The rule is as per the opening post on this thread.
Regards,
Des.
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Des... where do our non UK based players fall? I signed up an Estonian or two for Stockton although they hardly played when they discovered that playing for Stockton wasnt actually that great :D.. thinking more for Achim and co who were Luton previously as well?
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Des... where do our non UK based players fall? I signed up an Estonian or two for Stockton although they hardly played when they discovered that playing for Stockton wasnt actually that great :D.. thinking more for Achim and co who were Luton previously as well?
I had a discussion with Rich Baker about this last night Phil. Rich is talking to Bruno and some of the other Portugeuse players about participating this year. In addition we have Achim who has been extremely loyal to APAT also. I will be talking to Achim today to see whether he will Captain a European Region in the League. Will let you all know how that goes.
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Des... where do our non UK based players fall? I signed up an Estonian or two for Stockton although they hardly played when they discovered that playing for Stockton wasnt actually that great :D.. thinking more for Achim and co who were Luton previously as well?
Phil they obviously haven"t thought this through. Just heard a couple of the louder apat members mouthing off and made a decision based on that. In doing so they have managed to alienate a whole swathe of players, to appease a couple of our louder members. ::)
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Des... where do our non UK based players fall? I signed up an Estonian or two for Stockton although they hardly played when they discovered that playing for Stockton wasnt actually that great :D.. thinking more for Achim and co who were Luton previously as well?
Phil they obviously haven"t thought this through. Just heard a couple of the louder apat members mouthing off and made a decision based on that. In doing so they have managed to alienate a whole swathe of players, to appease a couple of our louder members. ::)
Of course you are entitled to a viewpoint but please be VERY careful about the tone you are taking here.
Please feel free to take it offline with Des who, I am sure, would be happy to alleviate your concerns.
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Wtf, feel so sorry for you Des, within 24 hours of this long awaited announcement you get all this, come on people give the guy a break, he can"t please everyone. Euro team great idea, will this include Greece or not if they bail out. ;)
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Des... where do our non UK based players fall? I signed up an Estonian or two for Stockton although they hardly played when they discovered that playing for Stockton wasnt actually that great :D.. thinking more for Achim and co who were Luton previously as well?
Phil they obviously haven"t thought this through. Just heard a couple of the louder apat members mouthing off and made a decision based on that. In doing so they have managed to alienate a whole swathe of players, to appease a couple of our louder members. ::)
I hope you"re going to be keeping your top on this season...wasn"t pretty :D
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
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A Regional map might be a good idea to help clarify further and maybe even up the catchment areas slighlty more.
Players can only register for the Region within which they currently live.
Des.
Des...do you have something available or perhaps you could PM me with a guide and I could knock something up?
Paulie
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Of course you are entitled to a viewpoint but please be VERY careful about the tone you are taking here.
Please feel free to take it offline with Des who, I am sure, would be happy to alleviate your concerns.
My tone is fine, yours on the other hand sounds somewhat threatening. ::)
Moderate me and ban me if you must PaulieD, but I am only calling it as it is being viewed by many from the other thread, where one or two people voiced an opinion and there APPEARS to have been a knee jerked reaction. Why not just ask your members? It isn"t hard, it isn"t complicated, that is one of the functions of the forum after all.
I can"t see how taking this offline will help alleviate my concerns, we ex-pat Scots/Welsh/Irish can either play for our country or we cannot.
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Of course there should be choice if no choice then where you"re originally from should be the case IMO!?? What if 2 games in you move from manchester to London, does that mean you switch teams?
Once you commit to a Region at the start of a season, no matter where you might move to during the season, you will be eligible to play for that Region.
But you"re now being forced to commit to a certain region? You said yesterday that people could choose a team outwith the region they live if it was justified? Is this still the case?
Paul - are you just deliberately being awkward? I hope I"ve been very clear in what I posted this morning, to make up for not being clear yesterday. The harder implementation of this rule is due to concerns shown by several members yesterday. Ultimately it"s APAT's role to ensure the playing field is as fair and level as possible, to ensure our events are not called into disrepute. I feel the position is clear now. The rule is as per the opening post on this thread.
Regards,
Des.
I"m not being awkward at all des (or at least no meaning to be), I just feel that because a few people have moaned the rest of the players are now forced to play for the team they don"t really want to play for. i.e. scots, welsh or irish living in london, manchester or wherever can"t represent their home team. I appreciate what you"re trying to do in terms of regional fairness but surely theres leeway for these sort of grey areas?
As always I"ll accept final decisions but these must be made on all opinions and not just a few folk complaining IMO
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Of course you are entitled to a viewpoint but please be VERY careful about the tone you are taking here.
Please feel free to take it offline with Des who, I am sure, would be happy to alleviate your concerns.
My tone is fine, yours on the other hand sounds somewhat threatening. ::)
Moderate me and ban me if you must PaulieD, but I am only calling it as it is being viewed by many from the other thread, where one or two people voiced an opinion and there APPEARS to have been a knee jerked reaction. Why not just ask your members? It isn"t hard, it isn"t complicated, that is one of the functions of the forum after all.
Enough Gordon...it wasn"t a knee jerk reaction. The rule should have been clear from the start and it wasn"t. Now let"s all remember one thing, APAT was never about "me or I" it was always about the community and membership as a whole. This is the right decision and I"d appreciate if we can all get our welly out of the mud and move on.
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Of course you are entitled to a viewpoint but please be VERY careful about the tone you are taking here.
Please feel free to take it offline with Des who, I am sure, would be happy to alleviate your concerns.
My tone is fine, yours on the other hand sounds somewhat threatening. ::)
Moderate me and ban me if you must PaulieD, but I am only calling it as it is being viewed by many from the other thread, where one or two people voiced an opinion and there APPEARS to have been a knee jerked reaction. Why not just ask your members? It isn"t hard, it isn"t complicated, that is one of the functions of the forum after all.
Enough Gordon...it wasn"t a knee jerk reaction. The rule should have been clear from the start and it wasn"t. Now let"s all remember one thing, APAT was never about "me or I" it was always about the community and membership as a whole. This is the right decision and I"d appreciate if we can all get our welly out of the mud and move on.
Thanks Des...I just wrote and deleted a reply.
I must be learning. ::)
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
That is not the case. I can"t recall too many International team selections being made on performances in the National Online Leauge. That said, with this league if you finish as the highest individual Scot you will be selected for the International squad. That"s guaranteed. You don"t need to play for the Scottish Region to achieve that.
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I hope you"re going to be keeping your top on this season...wasn"t pretty :D
Wont be a problem fella, so don"t worry.
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
That is not the case. I can"t recall too many International team selections being made on performances in the National Online Leauge. That said, with this league if you finish as the highest individual Scot you will be selected for the International squad. That"s guaranteed. You don"t need to play for the Scottish Region to achieve that.
I agree with what you say about selections in the past, I am suggesting it would be different given the new dynamics.
So are you saying that if I was the highest scoring player in the Yorkshire region I would get a place in the Scottish team?? or I could be 3rd in Yorkshire but my points are compared to other Scottish players and therefore the individual who is top of the Scotland team could have less than me and therefore not get the place?? I think you mean the latter but clarification would be appreciated.
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
That is not the case. I can"t recall too many International team selections being made on performances in the National Online Leauge. That said, with this league if you finish as the highest individual Scot you will be selected for the International squad. That"s guaranteed. You don"t need to play for the Scottish Region to achieve that.
I agree with what you say about selections in the past, I am suggesting it would be different given the new dynamics.
So are you saying that if I was the highest scoring player in the Yorkshire region I would get a place in the Scottish team?? or I could be 3rd in Yorkshire but my points are compared to other Scottish players and therefore the individual who is top of the Scotland team could have less than me and therefore not get the place?? I think you mean the latter but clarification would be appreciated.
The way I read it was the highest placed Scot would get a place in the Scottish team (etc. for the other nationalities)
It didn"t really seem ambiguous imo, but I could always be wrong
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At risk of sounding stupid - which region does Oxfordshire fall into?
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
That is not the case. I can"t recall too many International team selections being made on performances in the National Online Leauge. That said, with this league if you finish as the highest individual Scot you will be selected for the International squad. That"s guaranteed. You don"t need to play for the Scottish Region to achieve that.
I agree with what you say about selections in the past, I am suggesting it would be different given the new dynamics.
So are you saying that if I was the highest scoring player in the Yorkshire region I would get a place in the Scottish team?? or I could be 3rd in Yorkshire but my points are compared to other Scottish players and therefore the individual who is top of the Scotland team could have less than me and therefore not get the place?? I think you mean the latter but clarification would be appreciated.
The highest placing individual Scottish player at the end of the 15 matches will be awarded a Scotland squad place, no matter which Region he or she plays for.
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At risk of sounding stupid - which region does Oxfordshire fall into?
South East (according to the government)
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In the words of another ex-pat Scot
I"m Out!
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I appreciate why you have made this ruling Des but calling Scotland (or Ireland or Wales) a "region" or the team a "regional team" is not doing it for me.
Whilst this may be the official title of the team all the players will call it APAT Team Scotland. The facebook group had 53 members within 2 hours of being set up last night and currently has 61. There is no question from anybody about Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee etc. they are all instantly signed up for Scotland. Take a look at the replys in the sign up threads, I haven"t counted, but Scotland is building a strong team.
I am also concerned that not playing online for Scotland reduces my (or other Scots in the same position) chances of being picking to play for, or captain, Scotland in any International events.
That is not the case. I can"t recall too many International team selections being made on performances in the National Online Leauge. That said, with this league if you finish as the highest individual Scot you will be selected for the International squad. That"s guaranteed. You don"t need to play for the Scottish Region to achieve that.
I agree with what you say about selections in the past, I am suggesting it would be different given the new dynamics.
So are you saying that if I was the highest scoring player in the Yorkshire region I would get a place in the Scottish team?? or I could be 3rd in Yorkshire but my points are compared to other Scottish players and therefore the individual who is top of the Scotland team could have less than me and therefore not get the place?? I think you mean the latter but clarification would be appreciated.
The highest placing individual Scottish player at the end of the 15 matches will be awarded a Scotland squad place, no matter which Region he or she plays for.
Thanks for the clarification Des. Don"t think it will be a problem anyway.
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I"m not quite sure how or why we have ended up at this point ?
The Online League has run for two years with the rule that players were asked to join their local team, or where appropriate,their "hometown" team. It was never an issue, and although some individuals were questioned about their choice of team, this was often self policed, and where necessary dealt with in the background, without the need for a full blown discussion.
With the introduction of fewer, now larger regional teams, I would have expected less of an issue about players choice of teams, and with the refreshed league, it would create a more competitive league that was fair to all.
By adding regions that are actual countries, I can fully understand players wishing to play for their team of birth. I certainly wouldn"t want to play against my country, which is basically what I would have to do.
I do however respect the decision of Des and APAT, as they have to do what they consider is balanced and fair for all players. It just means that I"ll have to miss out on the leagues. Not the end of the world as there"s plenty of other ways to continue to support what APAT does.
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I"m not quite sure how or why we have ended up at this point ?
The Online League has run for two years with the rule that players were asked to join their local team, or where appropriate,their "hometown" team. It was never an issue, and although some individuals were questioned about their choice of team, this was often self policed, and where necessary dealt with in the background, without the need for a full blown discussion.
With the introduction of fewer, now larger regional teams, I would have expected less of an issue about players choice of teams, and with the refreshed league, it would create a more competitive league that was fair to all.
By adding regions that are actual countries, I can fully understand players wishing to play for their team of birth. I certainly wouldn"t want to play against my country, which is basically what I would have to do.
I do however respect the decision of Des and APAT, as they have to do what they consider is balanced and fair for all players. It just means that I"ll have to miss out on the leagues. Not the end of the world as there"s plenty of other ways to continue to support what APAT does.
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I was just going to post "I"m out" but as always you have put it more eloquently than I ever could.
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very nicely put leigh. This was the reason i asked about if choosing a different team with justification but it seems it was misread in someway and i was branded as "being awkward" shame really as for some it"s put a downer on such a great looking league.
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I was just going to post "I"m out" but as always you have put it more eloquently than I ever could.
I think he should give us lessons on "how to remain eloquent when posting". Could be a nice little income stream. ;)
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
perhaps as much as your decision astounds us?
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Am I to take it that if people are not going to play against their country of birth (which is their choice obviously), then is it the end of the home internationals A & B teams where everyone is required to play against players from their home countries. Just asking ? Apologies if a bit off thread but it is all linked I guess.
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Am I to take it that if people are not going to play against their country of birth (which is their choice obviously), then is it the end of the home internationals A & B teams where everyone is required to play against players from their home countries. Just asking ? Apologies if a bit off thread but it is all linked I guess.
A & B Teams slightly different but if you follow the logic being applied here through, I will only be available for england, cos that"s where I live, along with Ger, Des, Stu, Leigh etc.
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Am I to take it that if people are not going to play against their country of birth (which is their choice obviously), then is it the end of the home internationals A & B teams where everyone is required to play against players from their home countries. Just asking ? Apologies if a bit off thread but it is all linked I guess.
I"d be happy to play for Scotland A or Scotland B and therefore have to play against the other. Completly different circumstances than not having the option to play for your country (region) of birth.
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
Me too.
Come on Stuart, please re consider. Yorkshire have adopted you, don"t leave us now.
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The league is a regional event, not a country event.
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Am I to take it that if people are not going to play against their country of birth (which is their choice obviously), then is it the end of the home internationals A & B teams where everyone is required to play against players from their home countries. Just asking ? Apologies if a bit off thread but it is all linked I guess.
A & B Teams slightly different but if you follow the logic being applied here through, I will only be available for england, cos that"s where I live, along with Ger, Des, Stu, Leigh etc.
No it has already been mentioned that this is a regional event not an international one!
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
Me too! Bloody hell guys you are playing Poker in a amateur, low buy in event, I can"t believe the team you play for is that important, after all the whole purpose of these events is to have a laugh and play some good standard Poker. If I moved to Glasgow I would happily play for Scotland, and if there was an England team I would play against them too. I am a proud Yorshireman, but I am having to play for the North West, cos that where I live, no big deal!
As a Yorkshireman I played junior County cricket for Lancashire, then played senior Cricket for Worcester, before ending my career playing for Cumberland, and I made great friends all over the country playing a game I loved! I"m rambling now, but FFS guys get behind the concept, the rules and play some Poker!! :)
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I can see the idea and understand the clarification. The regions are reasonably equal chunks population wise so having to play for the area where you live should see fairly balanced teams. Also understand the stance of those such as Leigh, if I lived in Glasgow I"d prefer to play for an English region.
Would it be worth temporarily suspending the sign ups whilst this fuss is sorted out? Appointing captains first may in some small way assist some of the other regions that are effectively starting from scratch. Certain regions (i.e. West Mids, Scotland, Wales) lend themselves to a very quick sign up rate whether it"s due to previous clubs or national pride. This has clearly spooked some people and up comes the imbalance debate again.
Incidentally, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England I can see why Luton may be a bit confused about where they should be signing up! Removing "Home counties" from the London area would make the regions far easier to define imo.
Based on some of the above comments though this is the last thing that needs sorting. More added value for the rest of us, but that"s not the point and I hope a suitable path is decided upon. Good luck Des
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_nations_by_population
Click on each region - it"ll tell you more about where it is.
Only thing being that London + Home Counties needs more clarification as it isn"t an officicial region as defined above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_counties
My own opinion would be to remove Home Counties and just use the official regions as a reference.
Note that Bedfordshire, which includes Luton, is NOT in the Home Counties or London so people living there must register for the East of England region as I understand it given the clarification from Des.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedfordshire
Assumption here being that we would take the wiki definitions of regions as being our guide.
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Am I to take it that if people are not going to play against their country of birth (which is their choice obviously), then is it the end of the home internationals A & B teams where everyone is required to play against players from their home countries. Just asking ? Apologies if a bit off thread but it is all linked I guess.
A & B Teams slightly different but if you follow the logic being applied here through, I will only be available for england, cos that"s where I live, along with Ger, Des, Stu, Leigh etc.
No it has already been mentioned that this is a regional event not an international one!
I know that Richard but as I said in my earlier post calling one of the regions "Scotland" is different. If the region was "north" and included parts of England it wouldn"t be an issue.
Where you live is where you live - I live in Yorkshire and love it here, I have made many friends here. At some point I may move again to another part of England or another country all together. My country of birth will never change however.
To deny me the opportunity to play for Scotland when my nationality is Scottish is just wrong.
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
Me too! Bloody hell guys you are playing Poker in a amateur, low buy in event, I can"t believe the team you play for is that important, after all the whole purpose of these events is to have a laugh and play some good standard Poker. If I moved to Glasgow I would happily play for Scotland, and if there was an England team I would play against them too. I am a proud Yorshireman, but I am having to play for the North West, cos that where I live, no big deal!
As a Yorkshireman I played junior County cricket for Lancashire, then played senior Cricket for Worcester, before ending my career playing for Cumberland, and I made great friends all over the country playing a game I loved! I"m rambling now, but FFS guys get behind the concept, the rules and play some Poker!! :)
slag ;)
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Given the strength of feeling on this issue, I will organise discussions with Richard Baker, Stuart Oliver, John Murray and Rich Prew conerning 1) Regional borders and 2) Player Eligibility. Having the discussions doesn"t necessarily mean the current positon will change, but Rich and I will listen to all sides and communicate an outcome later this evening.
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Can"t believe all that I"ve just read. We"re talking about a little weekly $10 poker comp with some significant added value but which has taken a huge amount of negotiation and organisation by the guys at APAT.
Yet despite all that, we have people throwing toys out of the pram? For crying out loud, I"d even play for Stockton if it meant I could get a decent game with a decent bunch of people, and some competitive spirit every week...... and although I was born in Bournemouth, I don"t feel the need to play for a Southern Region - I live in the West Midlands, and will be happy to play with them as my local region.
Need to see the bigger picture here guys.
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I can only speak from my own experience. I havent played in the regional leagues for the last couple of years cos I wasn"t fussed about representing Newcastle/Stockton/Sunderland/NorthEast. So was quite excited that finally I had a team I would commit the time to and felt I could play for, now I am told I can"t. Shame.
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Given the strength of feeling on this issue, I will organise discussions with Richard Baker, Stuart Oliver, John Murray and Rich Prew conerning 1) Regional borders and 2) Player Eligibility. Having the discussions doesn"t necessarily mean the current positon will change, but Rich and I will listen to all sides and communicate an outcome later this evening.
Many Thanks Des. I will support whatever decision comes about from this discussion.
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Can"t believe all that I"ve just read. We"re talking about a little weekly $10 poker comp with some significant added value but which has taken a huge amount of negotiation and organisation by the guys at APAT.
Yet despite all that, we have people throwing toys out of the pram? For crying out loud, I"d even play for Stockton if it meant I could get a decent game with a decent bunch of people, and some competitive spirit every week...... and although I was born in Bournemouth, I don"t feel the need to play for a Southern Region - I live in the West Midlands, and will be happy to play with them as my local region.
Need to see the bigger picture here guys.
It"s a bit different playing for a region of England as opposed to saying heres an England team but you can only play for Ireland. I"m sure most would rather play for their country as we have seen a few express.
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Given the strength of feeling on this issue, I will organise discussions with Richard Baker, Stuart Oliver, John Murray and Rich Prew conerning 1) Regional borders and 2) Player Eligibility. Having the discussions doesn"t necessarily mean the current positon will change, but Rich and I will listen to all sides and communicate an outcome later this evening.
Is this the APAT players committee?
If not does this prove we need one?
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Those decisions astound me I have to say.
Me too! Bloody hell guys you are playing Poker in a amateur, low buy in event, I can"t believe the team you play for is that important, after all the whole purpose of these events is to have a laugh and play some good standard Poker. If I moved to Glasgow I would happily play for Scotland, and if there was an England team I would play against them too. I am a proud Yorshireman, but I am having to play for the North West, cos that where I live, no big deal!
As a Yorkshireman I played junior County cricket for Lancashire, then played senior Cricket for Worcester, before ending my career playing for Cumberland, and I made great friends all over the country playing a game I loved! I"m rambling now, but FFS guys get behind the concept, the rules and play some Poker!! :)
slag ;)
LOL
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Given the strength of feeling on this issue, I will organise discussions with Richard Baker, Stuart Oliver, John Murray and Rich Prew conerning 1) Regional borders and 2) Player Eligibility. Having the discussions doesn"t necessarily mean the current positon will change, but Rich and I will listen to all sides and communicate an outcome later this evening.
Is this the APAT players committee?
If not does this prove we need one?
Everyone feeds into APAT decision making and everyone is listened to Andy. Rich and I make the final decisions based on what is discussed. I am discussing this particular issue in more detail with the above players as they are particularly affected by it.
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I think for regional game which it is you should play for where you live , right decision in my eyes. You play for where you live , easily policed and fair enough. If you want to play for Scotland Wales etc win the league and play for them in the COUNTRY competition. Now stop crying and say well done Apat for sorting it !
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I think for regional game which it is you should play for where you live , right decision in my eyes. You play for where you live , easily policed and fair enough. If you want to play for Scotland Wales etc win the league and play for them in the COUNTRY competition. Now stop crying and say well done Apat for sorting it !
+1
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My grandad was Scottish + I have a Scottish name and this is brewing up nationalistic feelings in me I didn"t know I had!
Please don"t change the rules again or I might find myself joining the Scottish team ;D
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Can"t believe all that I"ve just read. We"re talking about a little weekly $10 poker comp with some significant added value but which has taken a huge amount of negotiation and organisation by the guys at APAT.
Yet despite all that, we have people throwing toys out of the pram? For crying out loud, I"d even play for Stockton if it meant I could get a decent game with a decent bunch of people, and some competitive spirit every week...... and although I was born in Bournemouth, I don"t feel the need to play for a Southern Region - I live in the West Midlands, and will be happy to play with them as my local region.
Need to see the bigger picture here guys.
It"s a bit different playing for a region of England as opposed to saying heres an England team but you can only play for Ireland. I"m sure most would rather play for their country as we have seen a few express.
I think that"s why lots of people are baffled.
If you play for the Scottish team - you are NOT playing for your country, you are playing for a team with the handy label of Scotland.
Similarly you won"t be playing against your country if you don"t - you"ll be playing against people who happen to live in Scotland.
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I dont normally get involved in these discussions as they are very heated and i wouldnt want to offend people ,
but i have to agree with the people who have put on the thread about it being a friendly and positive place to play poker
I have played with APAT for over 3 years now and while i am not a massive user of forum i do try and get involved in live games and online whenever possible.
For me it is all about the banter the laughs yes i understand that money is it at stake.But the name says it all Amatuer poker
we are not pros(some people obv better than others ) if people do want to take it so seroiusly then maybe they should consider just that turning pro
I do not wish to offend anybody by this post just putting my 2 penneth in there
Im an Englishman (honest got a pasport and everything)who lives in Scotland and i am happy to play for Scotland
however i do unsderstand those people who were born in scotland (or other countries) wanting to represent their own
country. ;D ;D
p.s. I am willing to still captain the team from Micronesia
pps Team of one
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Can"t believe all that I"ve just read. We"re talking about a little weekly $10 poker comp with some significant added value but which has taken a huge amount of negotiation and organisation by the guys at APAT.
Yet despite all that, we have people throwing toys out of the pram? For crying out loud, I"d even play for Stockton if it meant I could get a decent game with a decent bunch of people, and some competitive spirit every week...... and although I was born in Bournemouth, I don"t feel the need to play for a Southern Region - I live in the West Midlands, and will be happy to play with them as my local region.
Need to see the bigger picture here guys.
It"s a bit different playing for a region of England as opposed to saying heres an England team but you can only play for Ireland. I"m sure most would rather play for their country as we have seen a few express.
It"s not different at all.
The rule of the comp is to play for the region in which you currently reside - if I lived in Ireland, I would play for Ireland, simplez - but that doesn"t make me any less patriotic, or any less English. If this were a competition about county vs country, then that would be very different - but it"s not, it"s about region vs region.... and it just happens that APAT have divided up the British Isles in such a way that Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, are regions within the regional structure.
As it happens, I have some Scottish ancestry, my wife is Welsh, my kids are half Welsh, I drank Guinness in Ireland a few times, I was born in Bournemouth (and that remains my most favourite place in the world), but... I live in the West Midlands at the moment, so I will happily play with the West Mids team in accordance with the APAT rules.
I really don"t see why people are getting so wound up by this.
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As it happens, I have some Scottish ancestry, my wife is Welsh, my kids are half Welsh, I drank Guinness in Ireland a few times, I was born in Bournemouth (and that remains my most favourite place in the world), but... I live in the West Midlands at the moment, so I will happily play with the West Mids team in accordance with the APAT rules.
I really don"t see why people are getting so wound up by this.
Ahh - I now understand why you support Liverpool FC!
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
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I dont normally get involved in these discussions as they are very heated and i wouldnt want to offend people ,
but i have to agree with the people who have put on the thread about it being a friendly and positive place to play poker
I have played with APAT for over 3 years now and while i am not a massive user of forum i do try and get involved in live games and online whenever possible.
For me it is all about the banter the laughs yes i understand that money is it at stake.But the name says it all Amatuer poker
we are not pros(some people obv better than others ) if people do want to take it so seroiusly then maybe they should consider just that turning pro
I do not wish to offend anybody by this post just putting my 2 penneth in there
Im an Englishman (honest got a pasport and everything)who lives in Scotland and i am happy to play for Scotland
however i do unsderstand those people who were born in scotland (or other countries) wanting to represent their own
country. ;D ;D
p.s. I am willing to still captain the team from Micronesia
pps Team of one
Really ? You could have bothered to learn the language.
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
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I think people forget that this rule is only being applied in this way because of others who complained. Everyone was happy with the way the rules were being applied before. So maybe instead of having a go at us, why not ask them as to why they wanted the rules clarified or applied more strictly in the first place? Until they complained about it there was no problem. ::)
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
It would solve the problem
but seriously? Why on earth would it be necessary?
NB: haven"t the rules always been you played for the club you lived closest to?
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
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How about some re-branding teams to be known as "a bit north of carlisle & berwick" "a bit west of shrewsbury & bristol" and "a bit more west than the team already west of shrewsbury & bristol" that should sort it, its all in the name.
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If you get a vote in the independence referendum which will consist of the following options :
1. Aye
2. Naw
3. Dinny Ken
You should get to play for Scotland.
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
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I cant count ten people moaning,,,play for where u live,,its 10 dollars lol,,,well done des for organising,,,dont spend 2 weeks re organising for 1 or 2 people !!
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
lol, I think he was being serious Wayne! Clearly one of the options is renaming the Regions as you"ve suggested and that is something that Rich and I have already discussed seriously. I don"t think we"ll go that direction though. Will know more when I"ve had some secondary discussions. And most importantly, you always talk sense, so don"t stop trying to help :)
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I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
Sorry I disagree, I havent played for the last 3 years in the regional leagues, cos I didn"t give a toss about representing Newcastle, Sunderland or Stockton,and I would have had even less feelings for playing for region A, B or C, but the chance to play for Scotland actually ATTRACTED me to play & consider commiting to giving up 15 evenings of my time.
Now i know some say it"s just a $10 game and a bit of fun, and it is, but it"s also giving up 15 evenings to play in the league, it"s not just money.
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I dont normally get involved in these discussions as they are very heated and i wouldnt want to offend people ,
but i have to agree with the people who have put on the thread about it being a friendly and positive place to play poker
I have played with APAT for over 3 years now and while i am not a massive user of forum i do try and get involved in live games and online whenever possible.
For me it is all about the banter the laughs yes i understand that money is it at stake.But the name says it all Amatuer poker
we are not pros(some people obv better than others ) if people do want to take it so seroiusly then maybe they should consider just that turning pro
I do not wish to offend anybody by this post just putting my 2 penneth in there
Im an Englishman (honest got a pasport and everything)who lives in Scotland and i am happy to play for Scotland
however i do unsderstand those people who were born in scotland (or other countries) wanting to represent their own
country. ;D ;D
p.s. I am willing to still captain the team from Micronesia
pps Team of one
Really ? You could have bothered to learn the language.
Sorry for not learning the language
Sorry for being a better poker player than you
Sorry for being able to cash in tournaments when you fail
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I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
Trouble is Des, pretty early on in the original thread you said this:
ok gotcha........can u choose which team u are in??.....Im from Brighton but live in Slough so how does that work?
Choose one, once you"ve committed you are then tied to that Region for the season.
I didn"t see any great depth of feeling against this view, and people were already thinking about which region they might choose. Then it changed. Why? Where did the avalanche of feeling come from to make you change it?
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I cant count ten people moaning,,,play for where u live,,its 10 dollars lol,,,well done des for organising,,,dont spend 2 weeks re organising for 1 or 2 people !!
You got this @rse about front davey. The reason APAT has decided it has had to apply the rule rigidly is because of 2 people complaining. Now THAT is the tail wagging the dog fella.
As for those people who originally compained, they have still not said why they wanted the rule applied so rigidly and who it was "hurting" applying the rule "softly" in the past. So come on lets hear it, why do these guys want to restrict what teams we play for???
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I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
Sorry I disagree, I havent played for the last 3 years in the regional leagues, cos I didn"t give a toss about representing Newcastle, Sunderland or Stockton,and I would have had even less feelings for playing for region A, B or C, but the chance to play for Scotland actually ATTRACTED me to play & consider commiting to giving up 15 evenings of my time.
Now i know some say it"s just a $10 game and a bit of fun, and it is, but it"s also giving up 15 evenings to play in the league, it"s not just money.
Perhaps you wouldn"t have played Gordon, but I do not believe these issues would have arisen had we named the Regions in a different way. That said, I think the passion is great and am not suggesting we change the way the Regions are named; although we will be treating the Regions as groupings of people, not countries versus counties. If you look at the population breakdown, Scotland is around the sixth largest Region in this league.
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
Reminder to self, must add smilies in future
Looking forward to next week an awful lot, I must say. (In brackets for the hard of comprehension: Not)
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Surely this rule was thought up to balance the teams, as this was a constant point brought up in discussions, re - team sizes and fairness?
This is just broadening the borders of the teams you can play for and changing the names of said regions. This is NOT a scottish national team. There will be people not scottish playing for it. I fail to see the cafuffell.
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I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
Trouble is Des, pretty early on in the original thread you said this:
ok gotcha........can u choose which team u are in??.....Im from Brighton but live in Slough so how does that work?
Choose one, once you"ve committed you are then tied to that Region for the season.
I didn"t see any great depth of feeling against this view, and people were already thinking about which region they might choose. Then it changed. Why? Where did the avalanche of feeling come from to make you change it?
A wee search of MintTrav"s latest posts might help you out, since he seems to be the main complainer. ::)
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Play for where u live,,the only rule,,simples,,,and for the record,i hate everyone where i live and anywhere near !!! lol
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At the risk of becoming boring, I"d just like to make this point.
The original comments about ex Luton players all playing for London & HC were bourn out of trying to keep the team spirit alive, that Waz has spent 3 years cultivating. Waz (and he won"t thank me for this) is absolutley gutted that we will be playing for different teams this season, but in the truest of APAT spirits has accepted the fact that he must now play for East England. The insensitive comments by the ex Solent captain, given that they were made within a few hours of the announcment, simply fuelled the fire and got the response they were no doubt designed to get.
The vast majority of ex Luton players are very disappointed about the decision but we all have accepted it. It should also be pointed out here, that most other "ex teams", Liverpool, WM, Solent etc... will still be playing with the same teammates in the new teams, but we will not, and thats where the dissappointment stems from.
On the Scottish theme.
I love the Scottish passion. It is like no other. It is what makes England v Scotland so special.
I am bulldoggian in my support for all things English where there is a team involved, particularly v Scotland. It"s because we care and they care. Long may that continue.
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This is just broadening the borders of the teams you can play for and changing the names of said regions. This is NOT a scottish national team. There will be people not scottish playing for it. I fail to see the cafuffell.
Well said...Have you been NOT drinking.
Oh...and it"s "kerfuffle".
not yet... thought i would post now rather than my usual nonsense later when hammered :)
i had about 25 goes at spelling it, just stuck with that one. but many thanks for that, learn something new every day!!
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
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On the Scottish theme.
I love the Scottish passion. It is like no other. It is what makes England v Scotland so special.
I am bulldoggian in my support for all things English where there is a team involved, particularly v Scotland. It"s because we care and they care. Long may that continue.
Let"s remember that this isn"t just a Scottish thing, but also a Welsh and Irish one. Although I have to agree with your sentiments. ;D
p.s. it is quite plainly idiotic to make waz, ex luton captain, leave all his team mates and go and play for a team he has no affiliation with and leave the team mates he has played with & as you say has spent 3yrs building team spirit with etc.
p.p.s. We had that team spirit within 15 minutes of our group being opened up on facebook. ;)
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At the risk of becoming boring, I"d just like to make this point.
The original comments about ex Luton players all playing for London & HC were bourn out of trying to keep the team spirit alive, that Waz has spent 3 years cultivating. Waz (and he won"t thank me for this) is absolutley gutted that we will be playing for different teams this season, but in the truest of APAT spirits has accepted the fact that he must now play for East England. The insensitive comments by the ex Solent captain, given that they were made within a few hours of the announcment, simply fuelled the fire and got the response they were no doubt designed to get.
The vast majority of ex Luton players are very disappointed about the decision but we all have accepted it. It should also be pointed out here, that most other "ex teams", Liverpool, WM, Solent etc... will still be playing with the same teammates in the new teams, but we will not, and thats where the dissappointment stems from.
On the Scottish theme.
I love the Scottish passion. It is like no other. It is what makes England v Scotland work special.
I am bulldoggian in my support for all things English where there is a team involved, particularly v Scotland. It"s because we care and they care. Long may that continue.
There is a lot of sense in this post. Luton was perhaps the main reason that APAT were adopting a softer approach on Regional eligibility, but alas several people pulled us up on the approach, probably correctly in my opinion.
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
Reminder to self, must add smilies in future
Looking forward to next week an awful lot, I must say. (In brackets for the hard of comprehension: Not)
You have never forgiven me for Shrek :P
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
Reminder to self, must add smilies in future
Looking forward to next week an awful lot, I must say. (In brackets for the hard of comprehension: Not)
You have never forgiven me for Shrek :P
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
They probably would, because it doesn"t effect many players. Which is also why the "soft" rule wasn"t doing any harm IMO.
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
So if you dont give a $hit, why apply the rules so strictly that it upsets those that do give a $hit? That makes no sense at all. ::) ::) ::)
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multi racial britain,,,in the words of JC,,,love thy neighbour,,play for where u live is what he meant lol !!!!
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...............but alas several people pulled us up on the approach, probably correctly in my opinion.
Can these people explain why they want the rules applied so rigidly?
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
They probably would, because it doesn"t effect many players. Which is also why the "soft" rule wasn"t doing any harm IMO.
Sorry, that came across as very short and slightly dismissive now i re read it.
I still say that the rules have been put into place to combat the lack of fairness in team sizes last season, This was the point that i saw raised more than any other in regards the online league.
If you start relaxing the rule for people now, its going to end up back exactly where it started. Des and Rich have a duty to uphold the integrity of their tournaments for the majority of people. This is why, whilst going to really annoy and disappoint some people, the rule should stay in my opinion.
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APAT was damned if it did, damned if it didn"t
One consistuency or another was going to be upset if we went for "hard" or "soft" eligibility rules
A shame, but part and parcel of the players" passion for APAT, which is a good thing
I prefer the "soft", which allows friendships and team groups built up over several years to persist in large part. Equally, I understand why a harder stance was taken
Luton is one of the more heterogeneous groups, with a Captain that lived in Peterborough, then one who lived in Berkshire, and players drawn from various areas. as Curlarge points out, not easy for these guys to see the bigger picture but they are prepared to and good on them for that.
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Personally i don"t want anyone playing under the banner of Scotland who is English or Scottish with an English accent.
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Play for where u live,,the only rule,,simples,,,a..
This.
It"s astounding that this is an issue
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...............but alas several people pulled us up on the approach, probably correctly in my opinion.
Can these people explain why they want the rules applied so rigidly?
i wasnt one of "these people" as this is the first of any of this i have seen!!
But
I still say that the rules have been put into place to combat the lack of fairness in team sizes last season, This was the point that i saw raised more than any other in regards the online league.
If you start relaxing the rule for people now, its going to end up back exactly where it started. Des and Rich have a duty to uphold the integrity of their tournaments for the majority of people. This is why, whilst going to really annoy and disappoint some people, the rule should stay in my opinion.
is what i would have to say in answer to you really.
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At the risk of becoming boring, I"d just like to make this point.
The original comments about ex Luton players all playing for London & HC were bourn out of trying to keep the team spirit alive, that Waz has spent 3 years cultivating. Waz (and he won"t thank me for this) is absolutley gutted that we will be playing for different teams this season, but in the truest of APAT spirits has accepted the fact that he must now play for East England. The insensitive comments by the ex Solent captain, given that they were made within a few hours of the announcment, simply fuelled the fire and got the response they were no doubt designed to get.
The vast majority of ex Luton players are very disappointed about the decision but we all have accepted it. It should also be pointed out here, that most other "ex teams", Liverpool, WM, Solent etc... will still be playing with the same teammates in the new teams, but we will not, and thats where the dissappointment
^^^^this. My initial interest in the newly named "East of England" team did somewhat tail off when I realised that it would mean splitting up the infamous Luton team. Whilst I appreciate that the rules should not be softened for the Luton team, te perception is that yesterday it was said that people could
Choose a team that they had an affiliation to and today that decision has been changed due to someone who is notoriously not a Luton team fan throwing their toys out of the pram an making some pretty harsh and out of line comments.
At the end of the day, for me personally, I will still play for, and promote, whichever team I fall into. However, I really feel that a decision being changed because of a tiny minority (one of whom was well out o line with their comments) without any opinion polls or consultation with the wider APAT community cannot be a positive thing.
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Personally i don"t want anyone playing under the banner of Scotland who is English or Scottish with an English accent.
Rules out Mickey P from the Borders then.
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
They probably would, because it doesn"t effect many players. Which is also why the "soft" rule wasn"t doing any harm IMO.
Sorry, that came across as very short and slightly dismissive now i re read it.
I still say that the rules have been put into place to combat the lack of fairness in team sizes last season, This was the point that i saw raised more than any other in regards the online league.
If you start relaxing the rule for people now, its going to end up back exactly where it started. Des and Rich have a duty to uphold the integrity of their tournaments for the majority of people. This is why, whilst going to really annoy and disappoint some people, the rule should stay in my opinion.
Sorry, this is a red herring & you are wrong, that is not why the rule is now being applied so rigidly it is being applied rigidly because some people complained before even knowing what size their team would be!!!
The larger regions introduced this season should have easily solved the team size differential problems of last season, i.e. Newcastle, Sunderland & Stockton now all one North East Team etc etc, without the need for this rule to be applied so harshly.
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
And lets not forget, it aint just Scotland, it"s Wales and Ireland players also.
thats making the assumption they are ALL bothered to the same extent as the few people on here.
I really do think that most of the APAT members, if you did a poll, would click the "couldnt give a sh!t" button tbh.
One non-scottish very well respected member of APAT has already expressed his desire not to play if he can"t play for his chosen team so yes they are bothered to the same extent.
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Removed HLC name and regged for East England.
APAT rules. I"m a member of APAT. I abide by them. Simples.
Do I agree with them, not entirely, healthy debate on it should always be encouraged but rules are rules.
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Well I wanna know why England aint got a team?......this is blatantly unfair and I think if you are gonna have Scotland, Ireland and Wales as regions, then England should be one as well. That should even things up.
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Removed HLC name and regged for East England.
APAT rules. I"m a member of APAT. I abide by them. Simples.
Do I agree with them, not entirely, healthy debate on it should always be encouraged but rules are rules.
+1
A decision had to be made....it"s been made....and you can"t please all of the people all of the time!
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
I technically will be playing for manchester as they part of the north west lol .
But if was manchester liverpool team obv want to play for liverpool .
BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER LIVE IN MANCHESTER !!!!!
To be honest why is this a discussion , where ever you live thats who you play for surely you like the place you live there !!
Also what i think is the most important thing it is the fairest and the easiest way to police it . Where ever your stars account is thats where you play for , seriously why argue , if you really feel that strongly about it re locate ;)
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Ok, so that might be why it ws reviewed, but IMO this is the reason it should be reviewed. If people get to pick, and the Luton team all lump into one team, then the whole thing is no further along than it was last season.
At the end of the day, this was brought in (i think, i am sure Rich or des will correct me otherwise) to ensure that the teams were fair, and that all the input into season 6 discussion thread was not for nothing. They have, infact, listened to the majority of people who posted, and acted on that.
There is always going to be people upset, thats unfortunate.
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Also what i think is the most important thing it is the fairest and the easiest way to police it . Where ever your stars account is thats where you play for , seriously why argue , if you really feel that strongly about it re locate ;)
which account?
Stars.com
Stars.fr
Stars.ee
Stars.dk
Stars.be
or
Stars.eu? ;)
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I don"t actually think it was badly explained as it was clearly stated they were regional teams. And we should be keen to retain those identities, as it would have been as easy to call Scotland "Region D" and Yorkshire "Region E", etc while retaining the geographical split. I"m sure there wouldn"t have been any issues had we named in that way.
Trouble is Des, pretty early on in the original thread you said this:
ok gotcha........can u choose which team u are in??.....Im from Brighton but live in Slough so how does that work?
Choose one, once you"ve committed you are then tied to that Region for the season.
I didn"t see any great depth of feeling against this view, and people were already thinking about which region they might choose. Then it changed. Why? Where did the avalanche of feeling come from to make you change it?
A wee search of MintTrav"s latest posts might help you out, since he seems to be the main complainer. ::)
Az it happens I (on balance) agree with the "tie it to where you live" stance. But then I"m not being forced to change my allegiancies or to go against my nationality. I was very surprised when the original "pick your team" changed. If it"s all down to one person"s view I"d also be very surprised; Des doesn"t usually work like that. Regardless please don"t pick on John for having a strong opinion.
I wasn"t asking Des to name names, just explain why. The OP says:
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some questions have been raised about this policy and for that reason we are now stating the following.
Players can only register for the Region within which they currently live.
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So that suggests questions strong enough to change it. What are/were the defining factors?
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Well I wanna know why England aint got a team?......this is blatantly unfair and I think if you are gonna have Scotland, Ireland and Wales as regions, then England should be one as well. That should even things up.
lol
light fuse and retreat 25 metres..
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If you can call them by another name instead of Scotland, Ireland and Wales as to try to take away the National pride bit, then would that solve the problem? I.e. could Ireland be classed as "overseas" which would include Europe
North of Hadrian"s Wall
West of Offa"s Dyke
Other side of the Isle of Man
That help?
Scotland in this instance is a REGION in a REGIONAL league. It"s possibly badly expalined at outset, but people need to think that way
Just trying to help, I know not to bother in future
Reminder to self, must add smilies in future
Looking forward to next week an awful lot, I must say. (In brackets for the hard of comprehension: Not)
You have never forgiven me for Shrek :P
!
see first page of my blog
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Would the software be an issue for playing for a particular region with regards to your ip address and selected club ?
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Well I wanna know why England aint got a team?......this is blatantly unfair and I think if you are gonna have Scotland, Ireland and Wales as regions, then England should be one as well. That should even things up.
Cos apparently you guys don"t give a f&%$k. ;D ;D ;D
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Have to agree with Stu here. Des and Co are never gonna please everyone (God knows I have had my issues over things in the past) but at the end of the day we have to either get on with it or not bother. The League looks great and the West Midlands may even have some competition this year ::)
Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
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Well I wanna know why England aint got a team?......this is blatantly unfair and I think if you are gonna have Scotland, Ireland and Wales as regions, then England should be one as well. That should even things up.
lol
light fuse and retreat 25 metres..
He missed a trick by not writing it in capitals.
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Just LOL, Gord and Andy!
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Would the software be an issue for playing for a particular region with regards to your ip address and selected club ?
No issues with that.
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....and if I put my name forward as England Captain, no fu.....nobody would sign up!!
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regardless of calling it a region or a country it"s still scotland..... for instance i"m pretty sure scouse wouldn"t want to play for manchester if it was that way round. (just as an example)
I technically will be playing for manchester as they part of the north west lol .
But if was manchester liverpool team obv want to play for liverpool .
BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER LIVE IN MANCHESTER !!!!!
To be honest why is this a discussion , where ever you live thats who you play for surely you like the place you live there !!
Also what i think is the most important thing it is the fairest and the easiest way to police it . Where ever your stars account is thats where you play for , seriously why argue , if you really feel that strongly about it re locate ;)
Possibly a good thing, you might be looking to take the mancs in your team out. lol.
It makes no difference to me personally just thought it was poor that everything was fine then all of a sudden guys are being taken from the teams that they signed up to right away without discussion because of a complaint or 2. Just looking after my boys. :P
i"m sure we will all accept the final decision with grace and appreciate that Des and the team at least discussed things. ;)
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Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
Yes. Play both is a solution, via a new app or summat.
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Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
Yes. Play both is a solution, via a new app or summat.
Not on DTD"s wireless you can"t.
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Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
Yes. Play both is a solution, via a new app or summat.
Not on DTD"s wireless you can"t.
on 3G data you can, switching their wireless off
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Hence my "wireless" caveat
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Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
Yes. Play both is a solution, via a new app or summat.
Not on DTD"s wireless you can"t.
We don"t have too many events at DTD every year?!
Why am I having to mod all of Paulie"s posts and not anyone else?!?!?!
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Just one question though....I assume that these Online League games will now clash with some of the National Live events?
Yes. Play both is a solution, via a new app or summat.
Not on DTD"s wireless you can"t.
Only 3G signal required, allegedly. ;)
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Why am I having to mod all of Paulie"s posts and not anyone else?!?!?!
Sorry took me 59 secs longer than you to post. ;D ;D ;D
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Would the software be an issue for playing for a particular region with regards to your ip address and selected club ?
No issues with that.
Thus solves the problem then.
Gordon.. jump in the old
(http://www.xbox365.com/gdb/images/EpFVVZuyZEpVjczLGA/Midtown_Madness_3_40_500.jpg)
Sundays... pick all the Scottish contingent, drive up the A1, over the border. Switch on wireless.
Sorted x
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Removed HLC name and regged for East England.
APAT rules. I"m a member of APAT. I abide by them. Simples.
Do I agree with them, not entirely, healthy debate on it should always be encouraged but rules are rules.
Nice post Waz.
I too (like many others) am happy to abide by the rules. It was when the rule changed without debate or explanation that caused the issue.
I ahve also said that I will support whatever the final decision is by Des after the discussions later.
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Have I missed something here , this is a $10 buy in Sunday evening bit of fun poker game , no more . Seems to be a lot of unhappy people but I don"t know why . The apat have done what they think is best , cut them some slack. I mean we"re not playing for a row of houses are we . fmb .
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As it happens, I have some Scottish ancestry, my wife is Welsh, my kids are half Welsh, I drank Guinness in Ireland a few times, I was born in Bournemouth (and that remains my most favourite place in the world), but... I live in the West Midlands at the moment, so I will happily play with the West Mids team in accordance with the APAT rules.
I really don"t see why people are getting so wound up by this.
Ahh - I now understand why you support Liverpool FC!
lol
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We don"t have too many events at DTD every year?!
Why am I having to mod all of Paulie"s posts and not anyone else?!?!?!
We don"t have enough events at DTD....and I resemble that comment.
Oh...and I know you laughed. ;D
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Have I missed something here , this is a $10 buy in Sunday evening bit of fun poker game , no more . Seems to be a lot of unhappy people but I don"t know why .
Exactly!!! So why did those people complain in the first place and push apat into a corner where they felt that they had to make a "ruling"?
I for one right from the beginning have always been and always will be a supporter of why apat was created and the fantastic work that it continues to do, including this latest concept, no matter the outcome of this. So just because we are having a healthy debate about this doesn"t mean we are happy or unhappy. One, of the many, great things about APAT is that we can all get together debate, take the piss, and eventually come to a consensus of opinion WITHOUT FALLING OUT. It"s kind of what happens in the adult world, we sometimes frequent, you know adults having conversation, making changes, etc etc.
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Would the software be an issue for playing for a particular region with regards to your ip address and selected club ?
No issues with that.
Gordon.. jump in the old
(http://www.xbox365.com/gdb/images/EpFVVZuyZEpVjczLGA/Midtown_Madness_3_40_500.jpg)
Hmmm, is this your normal chat up line? I"m sure I saw this on Crimewatch the other week. :o :o :o
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Ok so just to clarify are we saying that the REAL problem here is that there is not enough people who will admit to either living in or having been born in the east of england?
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I have always liked Gord....even now he is playing the gay-guys boyfriend in Mrs Browne"s Boys ;D
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have always liked Gord....even now he is playing the gay-guys boyfriend in Mrs Browne"s Boys ;D
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
Better be a scottish leg! lol ;)
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
next week?!?! that Is sooooooon....
sorry :(
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Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
Bigger bl**dy tease than Paris Hilton you are...and no mistake. ;D
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
Better be a scottish leg! lol ;)
Nah...we"re gonna call it the "North of Newcastle Regional Championship" ;D
That won"t be a problem will it?
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
Better be a scottish leg! lol ;)
There"ll definitely be a Scottish leg, but we"re going to hold it centrally in Yorkshire, for the benefit of all Scots.... ;)
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:) Thats totally fine but one question.... can i play for liverpool? :D :P
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
;D ;D ;D ;D lol
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Its not often I would say this, but, I would agree with the people who want to Play for Scotland, Wales, Ireland. It might be a region and not a country, but that is the way it was named and that is the way it will seem forever. For every person living in England who is Scottish, and wants to play for team region Scotland, there will be as many sassenachs living in Scotland not wanting to play for team region Scotland for the very same reasons.
Its all very easy for people who live in a region where they were born and moan at these people, because they get to play for their home region anyways. I can"t see why alienating these people enough to make them not play is any sense at all..!!! I already have first hand experience of that.!
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I have changed the team name to APAT Region Wales Team.. .. Or could be changed even to UK West, but then Ireland would join in I suppose..
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
I think you will find he is Filipino! :o :o :o
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
Oh no, the Spanish will want their own Region next...
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I always think a healthy debate is good for the site statistics, I might have been at this too long....
I"m predicting the BIG number this month.
Oh I think a million is likely with what will go out next week.
Better be a scottish leg! lol ;)
There"ll definitely be a Scottish leg, but we"re going to hold it centrally in Yorkshire, for the benefit of all Scots.... ;)
This is the best post by miles..... ;D ;D ;D
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
Oh no, the Spanish will want their own Region next...
Oh so they get a choice?? :) :P sry couldn"t resist. lol
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
Oh no, the Spanish will want their own Region next...
Oh so they get a choice?? :) :P sry couldn"t resist. lol
Oi, the Scots have had a Region and its taken less than a day to break it...
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I am an Irish citizen, I work in Wales, I was born in South West England, I live in the North West. Can I play for Scotland? ;D
Well you signed up for them ye eejit!
I blame san miguel, I have since resigned.
He is Spanish.!!
Oh no, the Spanish will want their own Region next...
Oh so they get a choice?? :) :P sry couldn"t resist. lol
Oi, the Scots have had a Region and its taken less than a day to break it...
lol yeah thats true, after an englishman moaned ne less hehe
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Personally i don"t want anyone playing under the banner of Scotland who is English or Scottish with an English accent.
Rules out Mickey P from the Borders then.
Think i live in the Scottish borders, but youve got me confused now.Maybe im english.
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Damn my head hurts ???.... I will miss playing for my beloved "team Luton" it is the nearest casino to where I live, but rules are rules and I guess my new region will be greatly out numbered by the larger poker playing regions.. But love APAT so I"m cool with the decision, Des Richard and all the staff are always gonna make rules decisions that ain"t gonna please everyone, that"s life accept the rules grit ya teeth and be THANKFULL for the hard work they do to make APAT the success it is.
The end.
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The way I see it is that Des and the Apat Team have updated the league boundaries rules from last season in the interests of fairness, predominantly to ensure equal numbers in each team.
These are good intentions as always. What Apat does year after year to look after their members is second to none.
The main criticisms in season 5 were disparity of numbers in each team / the amalgamation of teams.
Will this change provide twelve equal size teams (in numbers and abilities) ?
It will seek to improve the situation by carefully selecting the boundaries but it is difficult to achieve.
The saying goes "You can"t please all of the people all of the time" ? - LETS TRY !
A minority are very passionate about who they would like to play for
It is an $11 buy-in, enjoying the fun and team rivalry is more important than financial gain.
Nobody should feel unhappy with the situation
reasons for being less than happy :
1) "Played for team Luton last year and don"t want to split up"
Answer 1) All play together again in a region that won"t get the numbers to compete equally anyway (East ? )
2) "I am a proud Scot who wants to play for Scotland"
Answer 2) Play for Scotland
3) "It is unfair that Mr 1) and Mrs 2) can choose to play for teams away from their abode because there is a possibility that they are doing this to gain an advantage, by choosing a random team with lots of players.
Answer 3) Take the soft option. Ask every player to register for a team primarily on location of where they now live. If this would make them unhappy or resentful or even prevent them from entering the competition (e.g. reasons 1 & 2) allow them to make their own choice. This would be the passionate minority with genuine intentions.
There has to be an element of trust and self policing.
Maybe a week before Leg 1 all the team numbers can be looked at. This would not be equal whether the soft option or rigid boundary option was in place, so why not try to avoid having disgruntled players.
The majority could have the option of playing for a team in a different region to balance the numbers in the name of fairness.
If when the number crunching is done and two regions are seen to be low on numbers e.g. Wales and North-West England equals same amount as Scotland, then amalgamate Wales/NW England as one team.
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A lot of things on this thread sadden me.
I think the decision to make players play for the region they live in is ultimately the correct one. Des has explained that the competition is a regional competition and not a national competition.
The nearest thing I can think of is a cricket example. Scotland play in the cricket world cup with just scottish players (and the odd South African with scottish grandparents). Scotland also competed in the Domestic Pro 40 (or whatever it was) a few years back and this was a regional club that had irishmen playing and they had Rahul Dravid playing for them as their overseas player.
I do feel sorry for all the exiled scots, welsh and Irish who are not allowed to play for their countries, especially after the announcement last night seemed to give the impression that that would be the case.
I also feel for the luton players and thought that John"s comments in their direction were a bit insensitive. I am extremely impressed with the class shown by Waz in accepting the subsequent decision. His tireless work in creating a community of players was very impressive. In some ways they have been victims of their own success where other teams were unable to create such a strong community, and subsequently lost interest in the old format.
I just hope that people will see the bigger picture and look to play some cracking games with a cracking structure on a decent piece of software with some superbly negotiated (vwp Desmnond) added value to boot as well.
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I also feel for the luton players and thought that John"s comments in their direction were a bit insensitive. I am extremely impressed with the class shown by Waz in accepting the subsequent decision. His tireless work in creating a community of players was very impressive. In some ways they have been victims of their own success where other teams were unable to create such a strong community, and subsequently lost interest in the old format.
Waz = Class in Human Form
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sorry if this already been asked but didnt really fancy reading through 12 pages!!
Im from Brighton and have my permanent address as Brighton but currently am living in Slough but have not changed any address details as i have only just moved up here and been moving aroun a bit.
Which region can I play for?......SE or London & Home Counties?
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sorry if this already been asked but didnt really fancy reading through 12 pages!!
Im from Brighton and have my permanent address as Brighton but currently am living in Slough but have not changed any address details as i have only just moved up here and been moving aroun a bit.
Which region can I play for?......SE or London & Home Counties?
There will be some clarification on this point later tonight, so may be worth delaying your sign up until that has happened.
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Whatever comes of all this getting PokerStars onboard is a real plus, well done to all at APAT who worked hard on this.
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This thread is just awful. I cannot say I am surprised.
I think the APAT guys have set up a stunning on-line series with some great add-on prizes to boot. With regards to the Team events - they made a decision based on fairness to each individual player by trying to balance the "Team event" numbers to promote balance across the "regions" so each "individual" still has a fair chance in the team comp to win equal to the stake they enter with.
And what is returned - aggressive, nationalistic, petty squabbling cliques.... Is this the APAT ethos....
I was talking to someone about APAT and they stated that APAT players were ignorant to newcomers and very clique.
From my limited experience I cannot really disagree with that perception, with the exception of a few people, this my experience thus far.
Regardless, each to there own.
However I implore the APAT guys to keep the "play where you live rule" in place - it adds clarity but more important if it offers fairness to each person who invests their time and money in this series thats more important. This seems much better than the school playground metality of "If I can"t play for my country / with my friends I won"t play". And just maybe you"ll actually enjoy making new friends I feel better now. :)
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des as much as i love you i think this is a bit wrong
people living in englandshire wont be able to win the seat in the scotish team for the worlds
bit unfair IMHO
now if i was to die and end up in hell rather than hevean you telling me i would have to play for
london rather than my natrual hevean and scotland?
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Also, while we at it - don"t know why we even have this teams-region ********.
Would much preferred to have seen a UKIPT seat put into an ironman free roll, i.e. if you played nearly every week you"re entered into the freeroll. And prizes for overall league finishes/play-off freeroll for top 20 for example.
i"m finished now.
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The top scotsman in the league will be an auto pick for Scotland, regardless of which region he plays for. Des clarified that somewhere above.
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des as much as i love you i think this is a bit wrong
people living in englandshire wont be able to win the seat in the scotish team for the worlds
bit unfair IMHO
now if i was to die and end up in hell rather than hevean you telling me i would have to play for
london rather than my natrual hevean and scotland?
Any Scottish player can win a place in the Scottish International team Iron, that"s not in question at all. To not allow that would be very wrong IMO and there is no precedent in any sport or game as far as I know.
On your second point, you"re living deep in one of the coldest parts of Scotland. You qualify on all fronts for Scotland.
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This thread is just awful. I cannot say I am surprised.
I think the APAT guys have set up a stunning on-line series with some great add-on prizes to boot. With regards to the Team events - they made a decision based on fairness to each individual player by trying to balance the "Team event" numbers to promote balance across the "regions" so each "individual" still has a fair chance in the team comp to win equal to the stake they enter with.
And what is returned - aggressive, nationalistic, petty squabbling cliques.... Is this the APAT ethos....
I was talking to someone about APAT and they stated that APAT players were ignorant to newcomers and very clique.
From my limited experience I cannot really disagree with that perception, with the exception of a few people, this my experience thus far.
Regardless, each to there own.
However I implore the APAT guys to keep the "play where you live rule" in place - it adds clarity but more important if it offers fairness to each person who invests their time and money in this series thats more important. This seems much better than the school playground metality of "If I can"t play for my country / with my friends I won"t play". And just maybe you"ll actually enjoy making new friends I feel better now. :)
I don"t think it has in anyway turned aggressive tbh!?!
To pick up on the newcomers part i agree with that. With the exception of the guys in team glasgow and a select few, i felt a bit alienated to start with and still do on some fronts. I think a lot of what is written is either misread or taken out of context which has led to some, for want of a better word, dismissive or putdown replies. And recently witnessed quite nasty and threatening exchanges (not involving myself). What APAT needs is some sort of live meeting or tour of some kind for everyone to get to know each other a little better. ::) :P
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Not meaning to change the subject or anything, but I"ve a serious question here.
Oreos...is it better to dunk them in a glass of milk or a cup of tea?
Thanking you in advance. As you were.
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I was talking to someone about APAT and they stated that APAT players were ignorant to newcomers and very clique.
From my limited experience I cannot really disagree with that perception, with the exception of a few people, this my experience thus far.
Regardless, each to there own.
I strongly Disagree
The Apat community are very welcoming to players both old and new, and the decision makers at Apat are helpful and always have their members interests at heart.
I enjoy being known as an Apat member and wear my Apat shirt or hoodie with pride
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I was talking to someone about APAT and they stated that APAT players were ignorant to newcomers and very clique.
From my limited experience I cannot really disagree with that perception, with the exception of a few people, this my experience thus far.
Regardless, each to there own.
I strongly Disagree
The Apat community are very welcoming to players both old and new, and the decision makers at Apat are helpful and always have their members interests at heart.
I enjoy being known as an Apat member and wear my Apat shirt or hoodie with pride
I shall add to this. I"m a newcomer in relative terms. I"ve been welcomed with open arms, every table I"ve been at has been full of fun, laughter and smiles, as well as good banter. Every event I"ve been to I"ve met people I"ve never known but have heard of, and they have been extremely welcoming to me, as well as every other newcomer I"ve seen. Have been bought drinks by people I"ve just met and shared a magnificent time with so many in Vegas as well as other places.
APAT has helped me fall back in love with poker again, and that comes down to the people!
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I have changed the team name to APAT Region Wales Team.. .. Or could be changed even to UK West, but then Ireland would join in I suppose..
Ahem, careful now ;D
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I was talking to someone about APAT and they stated that APAT players were ignorant to newcomers and very clique.
From my limited experience I cannot really disagree with that perception, with the exception of a few people, this my experience thus far.
Regardless, each to there own.
I strongly Disagree
The Apat community are very welcoming to players both old and new, and the decision makers at Apat are helpful and always have their members interests at heart.
I enjoy being known as an Apat member and wear my Apat shirt or hoodie with pride
First hand i have to disagree with that.... for instance when i made my memebr profile thread when i first joined not many people replied.. it now stands at 778 views and 6 replies!?! As my previous comment states some of the replies to other posts left a lot to be desired, granted that could be me misreading others as they misread me. I think there is a desire instinct to read something in a non-positive way when you don"t know someone or see how they are when they write it.
Now when i say this i do of course mean solely on the forum as i have met plenty of you and had a laugh at events and felt really welcome. ;)
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been watching this an amazement since getting back this afternoon , my own tupence worth,
Regions yes i understand what the aim was , but should have been made clear from the start - the living location rule.
saw a number of posts early on talking about the soft rule - players PICK there teams , and yea why not , is it that much of an issue to the odd few that someone from leeds who is scottish and has represented scotland at live events to play for a scottish REGIONAL team , i think not as is the same as me having no objection to Luton all palying for a similar team to keep together.
we worked reallly hard in Glasgow last season on buliding a team and getting a steady performance and in fact last night had numeros requests to be part of the new Scotland team ,not just from within APAT, this whole thing seems to have tainted scotland as have seen numerous snips at the team and one liners , spoiling the ethos of what we are about , and also not making a very good imperession on new player we have been bringing into the team from outside APAT in the last 24 hours.
From what I have seen today there were a couple of complaints - very quickly upheld (in my opinion)and ruling made maybe I have not seen all the complaints abbout the position , but sure i only seen a couple of complaints and this in my opinion is wrong , maybe a thread started to DISCUSS players feelings made before a ruling was applied.
Personaly I am embaressed that it has come to snipping over such an issue, but will as ever continue to support APAT in any final decision made and will continue to drive membership within in the scotland team.
there u go as i say just my tupence worth and probally not worth very much
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First hand i have to disagree with that.... for instance when i made my memebr profile thread when i first joined not many people replied.. it now stands at 778 views and 6 replies!?! As my previous comment states some of the replies to other posts left a lot to be desired, granted that could be me misreading others as they misread me. I think there is a desire instinct to read something in a non-positive way when you don"t know someone or see how they are when they write it.
Now when i say this i do of course mean solely on the forum as i have met plenty of you and had a laugh at events and felt really welcome. ;)
SOD OFF !
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been watching this an amazement since getting back this afternoon , my own tupence worth,
Regions yes i understand what the aim was , but should have been made clear from the start - the living location rule.
saw a number of posts early on talking about the soft rule - players PICK there teams , and yea why not , is it that much of an issue to the odd few that someone from leeds who is scottish and has represented scotland at live events to play for a scottish REGIONAL team , i think not as is the same as me having no objection to Luton all palying for a similar team to keep together.
we worked reallly hard in Glasgow last season on buliding a team and getting a steady performance and in fact last night had numeros requests to be part of the new Scotland team ,not just from within APAT, this whole thing seems to have tainted scotland as have seen numerous snips at the team and one liners , spoiling the ethos of what we are about , and also not making a very good imperession on new player we have been bringing into the team from outside APAT in the last 24 hours.
From what I have seen today there were a couple of complaints - very quickly upheld (in my opinion)and ruling made maybe I have not seen all the complaints abbout the position , but sure i only seen a couple of complaints and this in my opinion is wrong , maybe a thread started to DISCUSS players feelings made before a ruling was applied.
Personaly I am embaressed that it has come to snipping over such an issue, but will as ever continue to support APAT in any final decision made and will continue to drive membership within in the scotland team.
there u go as i say just my tupence worth and probally not worth very much
I"d say its worth.... tupence?? :D
Well said though, no matter what we will still continue to support and promote APAT ;)
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First hand i have to disagree with that.... for instance when i made my memebr profile thread when i first joined not many people replied.. it now stands at 778 views and 6 replies!?! As my previous comment states some of the replies to other posts left a lot to be desired, granted that could be me misreading others as they misread me. I think there is a desire instinct to read something in a non-positive way when you don"t know someone or see how they are when they write it.
Now when i say this i do of course mean solely on the forum as i have met plenty of you and had a laugh at events and felt really welcome. ;)
SOD OFF !
:D :D
We need new smileys... like a ****er one or suchlike. :D :D
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Everyone has had plenty of opportunity to have their say now so can I suggest that this thread is left while we resolve the couple of outstanding queries. I"m going to lock it for that reason and would appreciate if you could all work with me in calling it a night on this topic. My discussions with the players named above are still ongoing so I will post the updated position in the morning. The other thing for you all to bear in mind is that this thread will be viewed by all potential sponsors of APAT, and it doesn"t reflect well on us at the moment. It has the potential to cost us live events.
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Well done APAT! thank you!
Well done Pokerstars! thank you!
Feels like being at home with a bunch of kids.... you do something nice- having put a lot of thought, time and effort ( not to mention money) and there is something to complain about.
Heres what I say - a lot of thought has gone in to this - try just saying thankyou - not thankyou ,, but,, just thankyou and appreciate what you have been given, instead of whinging about how it is not perfect for you.
sigh that is all
xxx
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Well done APAT! thank you!
Well done Pokerstars! thank you!
Feels like being at home with a bunch of kids.... you do something nice- having put a lot of thought, time and effort ( not to mention money) and there is something to complain about.
Heres what I say - a lot of thought has gone in to this - try just saying thankyou - not thankyou ,, but,, just thankyou and appreciate what you have been given, instead of whinging about how it is not perfect for you.
sigh that is all
+ 1
Well done again apat!
And thank you lol
xxx
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Well done APAT! thank you!
Well done Pokerstars! thank you!
Feels like being at home with a bunch of kids.... you do something nice- having put a lot of thought, time and effort ( not to mention money) and there is something to complain about.
Heres what I say - a lot of thought has gone in to this - try just saying thankyou - not thankyou ,, but,, just thankyou and appreciate what you have been given, instead of whinging about how it is not perfect for you.
sigh that is all
xxx
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Well done APAT! thank you!
Well done Pokerstars! thank you!
Feels like being at home with a bunch of kids.... you do something nice- having put a lot of thought, time and effort ( not to mention money) and there is something to complain about.
Heres what I say - a lot of thought has gone in to this - try just saying thankyou - not thankyou ,, but,, just thankyou and appreciate what you have been given, instead of whinging about how it is not perfect for you.
sigh that is all
xxx
^^What he said!!
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Have we had enough critisism of those trying to debate an issue yet or do you want to lower the forum even further?
EDIT: and if you do want to have a go please PM me or post on my blog. Des has already asked to take this of this thread