Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: Des on April 20, 2012, 17:02:33 PM
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Des - There was some really good constructive feedback regarding improvements which could be made to the £5 rebuy structure following the previous satellites. Has this been looked at?
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Des - There was some really good constructive feedback regarding improvements which could be made to the £5 rebuy structure following the previous satellites. Has this been looked at?
Hi JP - We have reduced the starting stack to 1500 chips and there will be 1500 chip rebuys and an addon also.
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Des - There was some really good constructive feedback regarding improvements which could be made to the £5 rebuy structure following the previous satellites. Has this been looked at?
Hi JP - We have reduced the starting stack to 1500 chips and there will be 1500 chip rebuys and an addon also.
Great that should please most, especially Ger ;)
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Des, I notice on the APAT Home page it says maximum buy-in of 100 players but on here it says 120. Is that so you hold 20 back for people that maybe dont have William Hill accounts or is it a mistake?
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Des, I notice on the APAT Home page it says maximum buy-in of 100 players but on here it says 120. Is that so you hold 20 back for people that maybe dont have William Hill accounts or is it a mistake?
the event will run at 120 people
Online holding tank has been set at 100 for the moment
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Just a query DES , at Coventry William hill didn"t seem to be very well advertised in casino just wondering for Cardiff ????
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Just a query DES , at Coventry William hill didn"t seem to be very well advertised in casino just wondering for Cardiff ????
I"m sure something will appear if the link-up is to continue.
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Just a query DES , at Coventry William hill didn"t seem to be very well advertised in casino just wondering for Cardiff ????
Their choice completely Gary. We love the banners, but it"s not worth APAT investing in them alone as we will not be with WH after this event.
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Just a query DES , at Coventry William hill didn"t seem to be very well advertised in casino just wondering for Cardiff ????
Will probably get into trouble for this post, so apologies in advance if it"s offensive.
Why would William Hill be advertised at the casino? In comparison to previous years, particularly with Blue Square and Betfair, and 888 to some extent, I don"t really see what the sponsorship brings.
- We now pay 10% rake, but in prior years, the sponsor paid it on our behalf and it was a significant APAT differentiator
- There is no complimentary buffet, but there used to be one funded by the sponsor, and it was an APAT differentiator
- There is now no trophy for live nationals, and this used to be a very special APAT differentiator
OK there are still added seats to live and online games - that"s equal to the past, albeit the value is slightly less than in prior years (eg £1060 GUKPT seats, etc). However, the added seat benefits a single person - the lucky winner.... the other several hundred players don"t see any added sponsor value (that I"m aware of), where they used to in the past. I"m guessing administrative overheads, website, etc are about the extent of it now...
I guess that even the poker providers feel the pinch, particularly now the rapid growth in poker has probably slowed down as the market has saturated. The trouble is, APAT used to gain huge benefit from being different, and was an attraction to new players for some of the reasons stated above which no longer prevail, and cannot prevail without the significant sponsor funding we became used to.
Sorry for the negative post.
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I don"t see it as a negative post Steve, but it"s obviously based on a recognition of the current state of play.
The sponsorship deals of the past, as you say, just aren"t as easy to get any more. The poker sites are tightening their belts and APAT has had to do the same.
Des has been pretty up front with us about it (as much as he can be) and all of the changes you mentioned were open to comment before being implemented.
The only item on your list that I regret is the implementation of the reg fee but that was such a huge part of the package that it was easily the first to go.
APAT had, as you said, a number of differentiators but these were soon copied by other tours.
Nevertheless, I believe that APAT is STILL has a leg-up in having (AFAIK) the lowest buy-in for the structure we have. Perhaps the difference isn"t as large as before but it"s still there.
It comes down to the fact that without sponsors (and I thank them all) there would be no added value at all and, quite likely, no S6.
I know which I"d rather have.
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Not an easy topic to discuss on here beyond what I"ve said previously. I would agree with Paulie that the core of our offer is very strong. I would also add that I"m four months into a negotiation that offers some great potential for the future.
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I would also add that I"m four months into a negotiation that offers some great potential for the future.
oh yer a big tease man!
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Des - Just spotted the fact that it"s 2.30pm on Sunday for the Main. Is that right? I thought the move to 1pm for Day 2 was a permanent thing?
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Des - Just spotted the fact that it"s 2.30pm on Sunday for the Main. Is that right? I thought the move to 1pm for Day 2 was a permanent thing?
Ultimately the casino need to agree to it and I"m sure Rich will update that they had an issue. Earlier would certainly have suited us.
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Yes the casino had an issue with an earlier start
With 120 runners overall, less than Coventry, that mitigates the later start to an extent
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On THE TOURNY INFO PAGE IT SAYS LATE REG UNTILL LEVEL 5 BUT WHEN YOU GO TO IT SAYS REG CLOSED . WHAT IS GOING ON?
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OMG. Clicked on Register at 20:00:02 and got message saying Registration had closed, even no participants were listed.
Please tell me there was a problem.
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Is anyone else having problems trying to register for the direct buy-in on william hill, i keep getting a message saying the registration period has ended??? ???
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grr.....deposited wh just to play in cardiff and now being told reg period is over...wtf!!
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Yes it"s stating 14th as the start date for registration. :"(
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It is stating the 14th as the final day for registration, and the date which the tournament starts - but that is only an online process.
Registration is clearly showing as starting this evening at 8pm, however the lobby does not appear to have opened.
I"ve posted my thoughts here and will pick up in the morning with WH. I can only apologise to anyone inconvenienced by this error this evening.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10908.msg177729#msg177729
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Discussion re problems in buying in...go HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10908.msg177729#msg177729) please.
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Appreciate Des mentions can"t book seats but just registering did attempt to buy seat at 8 pm. Have to go now. Try again in the morning !!
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Appreciate Des mentions can"t book seats but just registering did attempt to buy seat at 8 pm. Have to go now. Try again in the morning !!
Put it on the thread linked above in Paulie"s post Mike.
Ta.
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Appreciate Des mentions can"t book seats but just registering did attempt to buy seat at 8 pm. Have to go now. Try again in the morning !!
Put it on the thread linked above in Paulie"s post Mike.
Ta.
Ok thanks. Now registered on WH.
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William Hill also pigged up the process for registering the four of us who qualified through the satellite tourney on Monday night. They gave me £25 or so and didn"t register me for the tournament!
I got two different messages from different bits of "customer services" saying different things about it. I think I have finally got it sorted out now (at least they have taken the £25 off me) but it has been profoundly unimpressive to say the least.
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Look forward to it.
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how do i buy in for this event?
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And did anyone mention it"s only 10 sleeps away ;D
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And did anyone mention it"s only 10 sleeps away ;D
my wife goes mad when i say that ahead of a poker weekend! Looking forward to Cardiff rather muchly.
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When will the list of players who have bought in online be released?
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When will the list of players who have bought in online be released?
Player Briefing and Player list Monday
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Not long now at all....Cannae wait
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Not long now at all....Cannae wait
^^exactly this!!
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Not long now at all....Cannae wait
^^exactly this!!
ehhhh that"ll be 9 sleeps ;D
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I can no longer make the tournament, can someone help me with unregestering or swapping my seat to someone else who can go, many thanks...
Rob Painter
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Im ready to turn silver onto gold in Cardiff !! With my 2 other Scottish amigos :-))
Looking forward to meeting a few players I met in the Scottish event great banter !!
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I can no longer make the tournament, can someone help me with unregestering or swapping my seat to someone else who can go, many thanks...
Rob Painter
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=37.0
Stick it on the Seat Exchange Rob, check the guidelines first, the most significant one is that they can only be exchanged for face value.
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Many thanks, gutted I can"t make it after stone cold bubbling the final table in Coventry!!!
Good luck everyone :)
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what is the blind structure for this weekends game in cardiff?
thanks in advance,
dave
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http://www.apat.com/index.php/tournament-structure/
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My seat has now been sold, here"s the info for the player list:
Seller, Rob Painter - Hmmmrob33 on William Hill
Buyer, Julian Schofield.
Please let me know if any more info is needed, still gutted to be missing a fantastically well run tournament...
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My seat has now been sold, here"s the info for the player list:
Seller, Rob Painter - Hmmmrob33 on William Hill
Buyer, Julian Schofield.
Please let me know if any more info is needed, still gutted to be missing a fantastically well run tournament...
thanks, all confirmed
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Many thanks, gutted I can"t make it after stone cold bubbling the final table in Coventry!!!
Good luck everyone :)
Been there and done that, don"t worry you come back stronger ;)