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Title: Quick Question
Post by: Jon MW on February 15, 2008, 13:51:46 PM
Indirectly another thread reminded me of a puzzler I was set last weekend.

It would be quite embarrassing if everybody finds it really easy, because it stumped me (in my defence, I had been taking full advantage of a free bar at the time so my judgment and calculation skills may have been a little impaired).

Anyway the question is:

If are in a heads up situation against one other player, and you are holding a pair of Kings - what 2 cards must your opponent be holding to give him the least chance of cracking your kings?

I haven"t actually checked the answer I was given, but it was "Mad" Marty Wilson who asked the question and supplied the answer - so I"m assuming it"s right.  :)
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: AMRN on February 15, 2008, 13:56:26 PM
I think QQ of same suit as the KK.  Any underpair leaves only 2 outs to draw trips, but with QQ, the opportunities of a straight are reduced as two kings are gone, and the same suit means that there is no flush opportunity.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Zanshin on February 15, 2008, 14:02:48 PM
Something like K2 offsuit I think - with the 2 being the same suit as one of your
Kings.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Eck on February 15, 2008, 14:05:25 PM
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Is the answer that it doesn"t matter as you can"t see your cards because you are just back from a visit to the ridiculous hat shop?


;D
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: lukybugur on February 15, 2008, 14:10:31 PM

Something like K2 offsuit I think - with the 2 being the same suit as one of your
Kings.


I"d agree with that
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Jon MW on February 15, 2008, 14:12:18 PM

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Is the answer that it doesn"t matter as you can"t see your cards because you are just back from a visit to the ridiculous hat shop?


;D


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Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: APAT on February 15, 2008, 14:14:20 PM

Indirectly another thread reminded me of a puzzler I was set last weekend.

It would be quite embarrassing if everybody finds it really easy, because it stumped me (in my defence, I had been taking full advantage of a free bar at the time so my judgment and calculation skills may have been a little impaired).

Anyway the question is:

If are in a heads up situation against one other player, and you are holding a pair of Kings - what 2 cards must your opponent be holding to give him the least chance of cracking your kings?

I haven"t actually checked the answer I was given, but it was "Mad" Marty Wilson who asked the question and supplied the answer - so I"m assuming it"s right.  :)


Would it be the other two Kings?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: HaworthBantam on February 15, 2008, 14:16:32 PM


Something like K2 offsuit I think - with the 2 being the same suit as one of your
Kings.


I"d agree with that


Snap - Opps, wrong game  ;)
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 14:33:05 PM
K-2 v K-K is 5% to win.  Not sure what the percentage is for hitting four cards to make the flush, but don"t players have that chance anyway?  So aren"t your chances 50-50?  Head hurts, too much thinking.  Must lie down.  
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 15, 2008, 14:33:08 PM


Indirectly another thread reminded me of a puzzler I was set last weekend.

It would be quite embarrassing if everybody finds it really easy, because it stumped me (in my defence, I had been taking full advantage of a free bar at the time so my judgment and calculation skills may have been a little impaired).

Anyway the question is:

If are in a heads up situation against one other player, and you are holding a pair of Kings - what 2 cards must your opponent be holding to give him the least chance of cracking your kings?

I haven"t actually checked the answer I was given, but it was "Mad" Marty Wilson who asked the question and supplied the answer - so I"m assuming it"s right.  :)


Would it be the other two Kings?


Des is the winner (he is with the question worded as it is anyway). 

K2o of matching suits to AA is the biggest advantage heads up.  Not heard this one about KK before, but I Des is right that if the opponent has KK then you"re very unlikely to lose (only to the flush of course), same likelihood of winning, and most of the time it"s the chop.

Des wins a pint.  Unfortunately, he"s the one buying the drinks...

I also think that Eck"s answer deserves a pint!! ;D
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Jon MW on February 15, 2008, 14:48:24 PM
Yes Des wins the prize for being able to read the question properly.  ;D

There was a general theme in the conversation we were having regarding quiz questions - but that was the only poker related one.

Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Zanshin on February 15, 2008, 14:48:58 PM
Yes it"s KK v"s KK for least chance of getting it cracked well spotted.

Still my K2 was close and I know what I"d rather have  ;)

KK v"s KK chance of losing 2.17%

KK v"s K2 (off suit and the 2"s suit matching one of your K"s) chance of losing 4.31%
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 15:20:00 PM

Indirectly another thread reminded me of a puzzler I was set last weekend.

It would be quite embarrassing if everybody finds it really easy, because it stumped me (in my defence, I had been taking full advantage of a free bar at the time so my judgment and calculation skills may have been a little impaired).

Anyway the question is:

If are in a heads up situation against one other player, and you are holding a pair of Kings - what 2 cards must your opponent be holding to give him the least chance of cracking your kings?

I haven"t actually checked the answer I was given, but it was "Mad" Marty Wilson who asked the question and supplied the answer - so I"m assuming it"s right.  :)


What about the same two kings?  That would give each player no chance at all of winning.  I win, I"m best.  I"ve had a good day Jim, but I want to gamble, I want to play for the speed boat now.  Give me a space question.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Zanshin on February 15, 2008, 15:34:08 PM
I"ve had a good day Jim, but I want to gamble, I want to play for the speed boat now.  Give me a space question.


Oh ok then..... for the speedboat.... What is the most common element found in the universe?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 15, 2008, 15:40:03 PM

I"ve had a good day Jim, but I want to gamble, I want to play for the speed boat now.  Give me a space question.


Oh ok then..... for the speedboat.... What is the most common element found in the universe?



Hydrogen.

A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Zanshin on February 15, 2008, 15:44:31 PM


I"ve had a good day Jim, but I want to gamble, I want to play for the speed boat now.  Give me a space question.


Oh ok then..... for the speedboat.... What is the most common element found in the universe?



Hydrogen.

A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


Correct  but unfortunately the question was WarBwastard's and you not only don't win the speedboat but you also lose the set of patio furniture you though you had safely banked earlier  :"(
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 15:45:05 PM
Ah now is this a physics chemistry question or a philosophical one?  Is it foolishness?  Curiosity?  Is it?  Is it?  Cause I need this boat living as I do, as far away from any shoreline as is possible.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 15:46:30 PM



I"ve had a good day Jim, but I want to gamble, I want to play for the speed boat now.  Give me a space question.


Oh ok then..... for the speedboat.... What is the most common element found in the universe?



Hydrogen.

A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


Correct  but unfortunately the question was WarBwastard's and you not only don't win the speedboat but you also lose the set of patio furniture you though you had safely banked earlier  :"(


Ha Ha, sucker.  Is it Hydrogen Jim?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: APAT on February 15, 2008, 16:25:53 PM
Don"t stop at the speedboat.....go for the underwater car......
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 18:41:17 PM
That underwater car appears to be a convertible!  I know Switzerland is land locked, but they ought to be doing better than this.  It"ll be cheese full of holes next.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: George2Loose on February 17, 2008, 10:17:58 AM
Underwater car=Submarine?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: GiMac on February 17, 2008, 21:54:09 PM

A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 17, 2008, 22:49:02 PM


A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


Centre of the universe, obviously.  ;D
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 18, 2008, 12:57:33 PM


A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


Says the man who woke up in Nottingham an hour before the start of the Welsh APAT National.  Not got the best understanding of geography really have you?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Foggy on February 18, 2008, 14:30:47 PM
Forgot to ask how Liverpool went on at the weekend Daniel
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: tumblet on February 18, 2008, 14:36:02 PM

Forgot to ask how Liverpool went on at the weekend Daniel


How rude !!!
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 18, 2008, 17:23:18 PM

Forgot to ask how Liverpool went on at the weekend Daniel


I"ll forget to tell you.

Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Waz1892 on February 18, 2008, 18:37:16 PM

Forgot to ask how Liverpool went on at the weekend Daniel


I thought bad beats were banned!!
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: Swinebag on February 19, 2008, 02:46:36 AM


Forgot to ask how Liverpool went on at the weekend Daniel


I thought bad beats were banned!!


It wasn"t a bad beat. Best hand team won!
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: GiMac on February 20, 2008, 14:12:14 PM



A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


Says the man who woke up in Nottingham an hour before the start of the Welsh APAT National.  Not got the best understanding of geography really have you?



It wasn"t Nottingham, it was a service station near......... oh jeez.........Tamworth.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: RioRodent on February 20, 2008, 15:47:22 PM


A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


You might assume it"s somewhere near Liverpool???
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 20, 2008, 15:59:55 PM



A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


You might assume it"s somewhere near Liverpool???


I lived in Japan as well, doesn"t mean Tamworth"s near Tokyo does it?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 20, 2008, 16:00:36 PM




A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


Says the man who woke up in Nottingham an hour before the start of the Welsh APAT National.  Not got the best understanding of geography really have you?



It wasn"t Nottingham, it was a service station near......... oh jeez.........Tamworth.  :o :o :o


That"ll be J10 of the M42.  I only live two minutes from there, you could have popped in and said hello and had a cuppa.

Oh no you couldn"t, as I was in Cardiff, playing poker...
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: RioRodent on February 20, 2008, 16:22:17 PM




A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


You might assume it"s somewhere near Liverpool???


I lived in Japan as well, doesn"t mean Tamworth"s near Tokyo does it?



Touchy?
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: GiMac on February 20, 2008, 17:43:36 PM


Oh no you couldn"t, as I was in Cardiff, playing poker...


So thats what you call it???  lol
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 21:49:33 PM



Oh no you couldn"t, as I was in Cardiff, playing poker...


So thats what you call it???  lol


Sorry, missed out the words "trying to".  We"re not all good enough to lay down KK you know.  You turn up over an hour late, after a sleep-deprived night, only to make a brilliant laydown off the most subtle of tells...;D
Title: Re: Quick Question
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 21:50:00 PM





A speedboat is exactly what I need.  I live in Tamworth.


I love how he says it like we should all know where the f Tamworth is, lol.


You might assume it"s somewhere near Liverpool???


I lived in Japan as well, doesn"t mean Tamworth"s near Tokyo does it?



Touchy?


Touché.