Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on July 10, 2013, 13:16:57 PM
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In the first of a series of questions put to APAT members, we want to know your thoughts behind funding your live tournaments that you play in.
Please vote (up to 3 selections) in the poll above, but also feel free to post on this thread if you have more to say, or if your particular scenario isn"t included in one of the options.
The poll is anonymous, but any additional comments are gratefully received.
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U missed off backing!!
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Depends on the buy-in?
Is this for a specific type of tournament or are we generalising all (in which case your answers will be fairly worthless no?)
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Depends on the buy-in?
Is this for a specific type of tournament or are we generalising all (in which case your answers will be fairly worthless no?)
Appreciate that players answers will differ for the WSOP ME compared to an APAT event (and there as players out there that will play both these extremes in a year), so an answer based on your typical level of live tourney buyin would be great.
This isn"t a market research exercise, the poll is visible to everyone, just interested in how people perceive their live tournaments and curious to how people go about paying for these.
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Surley, Most players would have a mixture of All or some of above!!!
Me Actually, None of above!!!
I Fund By Selling my Impressive Body For Sex!!!
It"s actually going very well, I may have to give up Poker, because I"m so fully Booked!!
.......Hang on Tatty, I won"t be a minute!!
.....Sorry Gotta Go!!!
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I play online and live cash mainly to build the bankroll. Tourneys are just a bit of fun, bit of a punt really.
Everything comes out of my bankroll and exercise strict BRM. Sometimes way too strict. I can be tight, so decide to sell % as don"t like taking chunks out for tourneys. Usually sell 30%.
My new years resolution was to play satellites. I"m sooo lazy on playing them, but tbh they"re not really worth wasting hourly rate on. Usually quicker to spin the required amount up in cash - plus its cheaper/more effective to pay for own hotels rather than some lavish package deal being played for.
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I play online and live cash mainly to build the bankroll. Tourneys are just a bit of fun, bit of a punt really.
Everything comes out of my bankroll and exercise strict BRM. Sometimes way too strict. I can be tight, so decide to sell % as don"t like taking chunks out for tourneys. Usually sell 30%.
My new years resolution was to play satellites. I"m sooo lazy on playing them, but tbh they"re not really worth wasting hourly rate on. Usually quicker to spin the required amount up in cash - plus its cheaper/more effective to pay for own hotels rather than some lavish package deal being played for.
Interesting approach Lee. If you don"t mind me asking, what"s the max % of your bankroll that you would use to enter a live tourney ? Or is it a case of only playing that tourney if you have generated the funds playing cash (so, setting yourself a target to hit in a certain time) ?
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I Fund By Selling my Impressive Body For Sex!!!
It"s actually going very well, I may have to give up Poker, because I"m so fully Booked!!
Dave, I am tempted to add another category just for you. But then again, maybe it would get a lot more votes and it"s just people aren"t as honest as you about it ;)
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erm... "social" expense duly ticked ;D ;D ;D
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Although I should I have never really thought about live tournaments in bankroll terms. However being from Yorkshire I am unlikely to play in too many events that I can"t really afford as I have an in built spending control mechanism (ie: I am a nit).
It"s hard to say, over the years I"ve played £5 tournaments up to £2k tournaments and generally I would "flick it in" for any tournament up to around the £200 mark on my own money (without backing/sats) but I have been pretty lucky in that I started winning pretty much from day 1 so never really feel like I am behind.
For events I really want to play I would try and qualify online of the sats are worth playing (DTD springs to mind with GTE"s/overlay) but would never travel to play a live sat as it would then be a fait accompli that I would play the event anyway, having travelled there - plus I find live sats a pretty tedious way of sending my existence. I have also sold action in the past for events outside my bankroll that I really want to play but where I feel I can justify that I am worth backing at a fair price, usually to people I know quite well.
Live poker is more a social "treat" for me these days as I can"t play as often as I used to, so I tend to pick decent tournaments that won"t last more than 2/3 days but are "worth playing" and very much worth winning. So it is usually a mixture of social/backing/online sats, as long as the sats are value.
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My record in sats is so bad that I"ve given up with them. I just buy in to all the tournaments I play these days.
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Normally out of my own pennies but at the moment I am using other peoples because I have had a good few months online. The vote was social but I still have managed to sat into a few APAT ones...
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Live and online Tournements are the same for me!
Funding is all about what money I have saved in my bank account and if I have saved enough I have no problems funding a live tournement.
I go to this Live tournements to have some fun, meet nice people and play good poker... not very woried about results and winnings.
I know its not the best way to manage your bankroll but thats the best way to manage my Life.
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Nice post Petersimon
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I Fund By Selling my Impressive Body For Sex!!!
It"s actually going very well, I may have to give up Poker, because I"m so fully Booked!!
I"m sure the gentlemen on your books are keeping you very busy. :)
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erm... "social" expense duly ticked ;D ;D ;D
Me too.
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At the moment my live cash game as improved (or maybe variance is in my favour ;) ) which is funding live tournaments at the £30 - £50 buy-in level.
If I want to play bigger buy-in tournaments outside of my regular bankroll e.g. GPS or GUKPT I always play the online satellites to try to qualify.
This brings me to my blatant Brag
Tomorrow I am playing Day 1a £550 GUKPT ME Walsall. I played an online sharky freeroll which had 5 or 6 prizes. All the prizes were sub satellites (mostly £5.50 tickets) to main event seat. I finished first place in the freeroll winning a £55 ticket to another satellite which had 2 seats gtd to the ME. The total number of entries in the £55 satellite generated 3 seats, and I binked one.
So I am playing in the £50K GTD GUKPT for a total outlay of FREEROLL 8)
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I play online and live cash mainly to build the bankroll. Tourneys are just a bit of fun, bit of a punt really.
Everything comes out of my bankroll and exercise strict BRM. Sometimes way too strict. I can be tight, so decide to sell % as don"t like taking chunks out for tourneys. Usually sell 30%.
My new years resolution was to play satellites. I"m sooo lazy on playing them, but tbh they"re not really worth wasting hourly rate on. Usually quicker to spin the required amount up in cash - plus its cheaper/more effective to pay for own hotels rather than some lavish package deal being played for.
Interesting approach Lee. If you don"t mind me asking, what"s the max % of your bankroll that you would use to enter a live tourney ? Or is it a case of only playing that tourney if you have generated the funds playing cash (so, setting yourself a target to hit in a certain time) ?
Very maximum for a tourney is 5% Usually looking more like 2 - 3%
If a tourney is a little out of my reach, or I"m being miserly, I"ll sell stakes. If its what I deem to be really excessive then I might just use whatever the excess is as a goal for a particular cash session(s)...so in a way I do kinda neglect strict BRM for that short period. The tourney is then kind of a treat to myself!
I"m kinda happy that I"m on my own ticket - I could handle being backed, but don"t think I could deal with being in huge makeup. It does make me wonder about the credentials of some so called "name" players that are so deep in MU...
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It"s a social expense for me. I don"t play live poker (it"s stupidly boring - would literally rather be in work than play a long live session). I go to APAT weekends, which are different and are obviously massive -EV once you take the way I treat an APAT weekend into account.
Online is very different (I do try to be profitable at this and therefore use pretty strict BRM) but live poker is clearly a social expense for somebody like me and a lot of the APAT regs. A bit surprised it is so low on the list to be honest and I think the reality is that that options is actually a lot higher for more people than want to admit it.
Also don"t see that live or online sats truly fund live poker (They just reduce the cost of it) and potentially allow you to fund future tournaments from your bankroll if you get a good live bink. It"s an interesting question though
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Social expense and depends on the tournament.
APAT games and say £100 games I"d never look at either satting or buying in, above that, it"s satting or being backed.
I generally now don"t have time to play at the local casinos, so just APAT's for me ;)
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1. Bank of Mr D = Social expense ;D
2. BRM - we do this jointly - Mr D tops it up and I spend it ;)
3. Staked - Seats won in the BCPC live league :o
4. Have satted into things rarely by playing online ::)
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1. Bank of Mr D = Social expense ;D
2. BRM - we do this jointly - Mr D tops it up and I spend it ;)
3. Staked - Seats won in the BCPC live league :o
4. Have satted into things rarely by playing online ::)
Have you hacked into your wife"s account again Andy?