Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: mporter123 on April 24, 2014, 13:22:47 PM
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You missed the word "wet" out of the title lol
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Weirdly was thinking the same thing, look at your proposal and its pretty much exactly the same as mine....
This would be sexy
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Dream!?
Yep, you"re dreaming. APAT, arguably, has the best/only true festival tour experience on offer at a reasonable price level.
It"s all very well to dream of 2 day "side event" events but these have to be paid for and a 10% (£5+) vig ain"t gonna get it done.
The fact that the majority of the non-HE events went 12 hours plus is more than adequate. Whether Aspers thought that was "value" is arguable. It may be that they actually lost money on that side.
The S7 WCOAP was an absolute triumph for APAT in my less than humble opinion...let"s not over-reach trying to improve the already excellent.
Oh...and too many HE events at the weekend. Those of us who like to have more than 2 cards in hand need some love too. I loved the fact that the PLO/PLO8 events were Saturday/Sunday this time. I was more than happy to swerve the ME for that.
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The S7 WCOAP was an absolute triumph for APAT in my less than humble opinion...let"s not over-reach trying to improve the already excellent.
I don"t think this is true and I think a fair few members felt a number of the stops were of a lower quality in general than expected. I agree that we finished very strongly with an excellent festival.
Paulie is refering to the WCOAP festival.
Your schedule for a future WCOAP looks great, admittedly. However, there"s no way anywhere is going to run a 2-day tourney for £5 juice per player. Or a 3 day tourney for £10. Tourneys that last this long usually have a minimum buy-in of £400+£40, and frequently £1000+£100.
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Tourneys that last this long usually have a minimum buy-in of £400+£40, and frequently £1000+£100.
Very true.
Then again, you don"t have to go back very far before casino"s would not have entertained running a £50 comp with a structure that meant it lasted more than a couple of hours.
I wonder what casino"s will be willing to accommodate in another 5 years time. Grand Prix at DTD, Goliath are trying to push those boundaries.
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Oh...another thing occurred to me.
Unless something drastic happens to change the APAT landscape I don"t ever see guarantees being offered.
Large organisations with marketing budgets (or deep pockets like Rob Yong) can afford guarantees, APAT doesn"t have either of those.
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Oh...another thing occurred to me.
Unless something drastic happens to change the APAT landscape I don"t ever see guarantees being offered.
Large organisations with marketing budgets (or deep pockets like Rob Yong) can afford guarantees, APAT doesn"t have either of those.
I beg to differ Paulie - Des" pockets are so deep he has yet to reach the bottom to buy me a drink!
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Not quite. Des has short arms!
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Not quite. Des has short arms!
...and long pockets! :)
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Joking aside - we"re watching this thread closely to hear your thoughts.
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Take off the guarantees from the schedule idea that Mark had (with my alterations) and I think it still works. I know I would love to see a 3 day APAT comp as a main event.
Maybe partner it with Aspers and get them to have satellites at their casinos around the country. Heavily promote it - is there a tagline about the bracelets that could be used? Call it the World Amateur Series Of Poker or something along those lines (obviously dependent on copyright etc etc). External sponsors as well (maybe Poker Player, Monster, Red Bull etc).
I"m just braindumping here but I think that with the right promotion etc, this could seriously happen. Just get the dates sorted very very quickly to avoid clashes as best as possible.
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Maybe partner it with Aspers and get them to have satellites at their casinos around the country.
What...all 3 (or is it 4 now) of them?
I have no problem with a 3 day event, although I wouldn"t play and I"m not sure we/APAT could actually summon up the numbers [was the ME even full for Aspers, I know Day 1b struggled to meet the cap].
My "main" issue with the proposed "dream" schedule is that there"s too much 2 card stuff over the weekend.
I thought the WCOAP was perfect for PLO/PLO8 as an alternative to the ME. I know I"m in reasonably a small minority here though but I didn"t hear many a bad word against the non-HE stuff during the WCAOP that lasted very long.
If APAT truly want to go a "festival" route, 4 days should be enough for a mini-festival before really pushing the boat out for a WCOAP.
We need to bring the "fun" back to APAT. We"ve all got terribly serious about the Pokerz in recent years, what happened to the silly stuff we used to do on Friday nights & Saturday mornings.
Matt, bless him, goes all "extreme" but at least he"s trying.
Tom had some great ideas for fun, Friday night "silly" poker comps that he mentioned to me in Prague (name drop) and I"d like to see some of those ideas for S8.
Oops, I"ve crossed with the S8 discussion but I think it"s all part of the same thing really.
Just get the dates sorted very very quickly to avoid clashes as best as possible.
Oh..and this.
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Paulie, less of the negative vibes....young bloods being passionate about pushing the APAT brand forward, yet met with lots of neggy feedback.
Granted, the Gtes could be taken off but there is no reason you cannot set the gte low (an amount we know it will surpass) just to be able to boast a gte, and that it was smashed when media coverage swoops in at the end. Its all about Marketing sir.
I love the festival suggestions, and would fully support them. Hell, if i had the time and a team behind me id run it myself as the In The Muck Festival
There is no harm in offering low gtes, they will get exceeded and its all positive reinforcement of the brands strength
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Paulie, less of the negative vibes....young bloods being passionate about pushing the APAT brand forward, yet met with lots of neggy feedback.
I don"t see it as being "negative"...more being realistic based on 7 years experience. I"m not saying that the ideas here are bad per se just that I don"t see APAT getting that close to that level soon, but I"d happy to be surprised.
Having a "dream" is to be encouraged but when it comes down to it we have to work with what we have and in the actual environment / market (that dreaded word) we are in.
Low guarantees would be a good place to start.
APAT usually had banners around the ME final tables especially when there is any live / video coverage.
Award ceremonies are difficult, not only due to space, but also due to the odd finishing times and the fact that some people just want to go home. :)
I do recall that we did an APAT Awards at DTD once....I got the Hall of Fame Award then, don"t you know. :)
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Yeah, leave Mark alone
(http://www.thepokeriety.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/les-apatables.jpg)
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Yeah, leave Mark alone
(http://www.thepokeriety.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/les-apatables.jpg)
Not up to your usual standard Mr Wiltshire.