Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 21:09:51 PM
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All i can say is WOW.It"s very difficult to take it all in,but well done to all the apat crew for all the hard work behind the scene"s.
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All i can say is WOW.It"s very difficult to take it all in,but well done to all the apat crew for all the hard work behind the scene"s.
Yea I know - it was hard work reading let alone organising it all.
Thanks and well done to all involved.
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looks like the end of live apat events for me
i cannot justify travel and hotel costs to play 5 £20 80 max events just to try and get into the live events
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looks like the end of live apat events for me
i cannot justify travel and hotel costs to play 5 £20 80 max events just to try and get into the live events
Forgive me if I"m wrong - so much to take in as MickeyP said - but I think you can still buy in direct Iron - you don"t have to sat in.
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looks like the end of live apat events for me
i cannot justify travel and hotel costs to play 5 £20 80 max events just to try and get into the live events
Forgive me if I"m wrong - so much to take in as MickeyP said - but I think you can still buy in direct Iron - you don"t have to sat in.
That is absolutely correct. I would expect at least half the seats to be available via direct buy in to National events.
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I think Ironside"s correct, from what I read you would have to qualify for the National events via the Regionals. And as there is only likely to be one qualifying venue in Scotland then Ironside is at a distinct disadvantage.
Apologies if this sounds negative.
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that will be ok then
so much there to digest i thout you had to play in the regionals to get into the nationals and can i really justify 2 days in manchester to play in a £20 comp
espically if we dont get more than the 3 weeks notice we are getting
what should be a £50 flight to luton is already £100 and i cant book it yet as i might not get in and i might not get in on the dayi would prefer
just hope that they get all the dates etc etc sorted before the start of season 2 then i might be able to get cheap deals and play some
espically if grosvenor open there casino in aberdeen (first one in scotland, still not started building as far as i am aware)
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Opps, glad I"ve been proved wrong. :-X
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I think Ironside"s correct, from what I read you would have to qualify for the National events via the Regionals. And as there is only likely to be one qualifying venue in Scotland then Ironside is at a distinct disadvantage.
Apologies if this sounds negative.
re reading it i think i was wrong
and as grosvenor havent any casinos in scotland and aberdeen going to be there first i could be at an advantage (although i would have to play 5 to have a chance in a prize) again reports from the city are that the ground as the peopestive site is unbroken though
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All i can say is WOW.It"s very difficult to take it all in,but well done to all the apat crew for all the hard work behind the scene"s.
Get someone else to read it for you. It"ll make more sense then... :P
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I know you cannot please everbody, but I think the northern region has been spanked a bit here.
Manchester, Newcastle and Scotland. These places are no where near each other. Manchester is nearer to Nottingham and B"ham together that either of the other places.
I do think the regions need a bit of looking at. The travelling has a massive part to play in it. I would have a 50 mile round trip to Manchester, no major problem. Possibly a 500 mile round trip Scotland (if it was Aberdeen it would be 600), and from mine to Newcastle a 350 round trip. This means anyone in Liverpool would realistically only be getting to Manchester, and it would be better for me to visit Walsall or Nottingham than the other 2.
This is way too much. The same problem for anyone living in the North West of England. It seems as though the north has been put at anywhere North of Cheshire, which is well more than half of the UK.
How will the APAT decide on where the 5 events held. There are only 3 venues in the northern region but 5 events. Could the G-Casino Blackpool not make a venue, oe even the Grosvenor Liverpool?
I do sympathise as well with Cardiff and Ireland, but hey its Ireland.
Edit - I am sure it will work out well.. PS and good work Des and the team..
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Living in West Yorkshire, Mr Pig, I find myself in a similar position to you.
I don"t believe it"s a concious "spanking" for the more northern, eastern or western regions, however, it"s just that Grosvenor have more casinos in the southern region.
Unless more Grosvenor casinos open in the neglected regions (can I say that ?) or APAT bring another casino chain "on board", then there"s not much that can be done about it.
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Just read this for the 3rd time and I"m still trying to take it all in.
Now we know why its taken so long to put together. A big THANK YOU to all at Apat for the hard work and time it must have taken to put such a colossal schedule together.
Roll on Season Two.
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I don"t think you have to play in "your" region - you can play in any regional events but, although it"s a little ambiguous, I think you can only count the points scored in one region"s events towards your ranking total.
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Let me clarify regarding Regional casinos.
There will be five Regional Championship events. They will each award seats to the following National events:
English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish and UK Amateur Poker Championships.
Jimmy, you will be able to play each of those five Regional Championship events in Manchester. Sombody further north may play in Newcastle and our Scottish members will play in their venue when it is announced. You will not have to play in each venue.
For the "English" Qualification round. A tournament will be held at each of the 11 Casinos across the UK on the one day.
Hope that helps! There is a great deal to take in :D
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Okay I think I get it....So hard to take in....
So at the Manchester casino there will be five x 80 seater satelite basically to the main events, and there will be 5 sats to all the main events at all the casinos.
Is that right? If so thats great!! I could play in Manchester and possibly travel to Walsall or Nottingham to qualify as well....I think....
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You are nearly there.
So effectively there wil be five Regional Championship Saturdays during Season Two.
On a Saturday, lets say in October, the first round of the Regional Championships will take place with the top placing players in each event winning entry to the English National Championship. On that Saturday a Regional event will take place in Manchester, but also in the other 10 casinos around the UK. You could play in Manchester in the Northern Region. If you were to win, then you would go joint top of the Northern Region with 9 points, the same as the winners in the other Northern Region casinos.
Then, on a Saturday, lets say in November, the second round of the etc etc etc. this time the Regional events would be awarding seats to the Scottish event. If you took 9 points again in your Manchester tournament, and the other winners did not in their Northern casinos, then you would go to the top of the Northern rankings after two events.
You would have five events in Northern region in total in Season Two.
Phew.
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Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for clearing that up.
I get it now. Have you got a water spray by your pc to cool down your keyboard, it must be glowing red hot.
Will all the regional events across the country be held on the same day...
Now the information is settling in and my brain has started to file the information, it is looking better and better......
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In other words, you can only play at one venue for each regional "heat". Nothing stopping you playing at a different venue for the next heat though.
Is that right?
Please let DTD get its license... :)
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i am still lost
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Will all the regional events across the country be held on the same day...
Yes.
11 events on the same day with each qualifier going through to the English Champonships.
11 events on another day with each qualifier going through to the Scottish Championships.
etc.
Now, where did I leave that fire extinguisher!
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In other words, you can only play at one venue for each regional "heat". Nothing stopping you playing at a different venue for the next heat though.
Is that right?
Please let DTD get its license... :)
Yes and yes.
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Des,
Any plans to televise the final tables of any of the National events ?
Just wondering as it would certainly be more watchable than the appalling University poker that was on earlier this year.
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Des,
Any plans to televise the final tables of any of the National events ?
Just wondering as it would certainly be more watchable than the appalling University poker that was on earlier this year.
I would not want to televise them, I believe the opportunity is for live streaming on the internet. That is something that will be investigated. As always, we would trial an event prior to committing to streaming a season.
Do you think would anyone pay a fiver to watch it from home over a tournament weekend?
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Do you think would anyone pay a fiver to watch it from home over a tournament weekend?
If I wasn"t there I think I"d find it hard to resist watching on the net for a fiver - combined with some virtual railing on the fora it could be quite good fun.
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I certainly wouldn"t be up for paying a fiver to watch over"t"net, I"d hope to be at the venue itself - railing, obviously, as my chances of making a final table are probably somewhere between slim and no chance !
Be good to be able to record, and watch at a later date the final table action, though.
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I can"t see anyone paying to watch it nunless they were really sad.....
oooppppps had someone just replied?????
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APA, hate to be a pain....... but i"m gonna really need all this breaking down.....there was toooooo much info to take in....i"m still on blue square!
The whole procedure with regionals etc, and everthing else!!
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I"d pay if I was a player and didn"t make it in, to see the action while I was playing online on a Sunday evening. I guess I"m sad ;D
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Good work guys - loads to take in. I think I may go for the direct route rather than the regionals though. But ahhhh no - international team poker - I hate it. Its an individual game!! Small price to pay though for all the other pros. Well done APAT team - ps Id love to volunteer for a job!! Reporter maybe.....let me know how to apply. See you in Luton.
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APA, hate to be a pain....... but i"m gonna really need all this breaking down.....there was toooooo much info to take in....i"m still on blue square!
The whole procedure with regionals etc, and everthing else!!
lol...just how much media training are you going to require if we end up sending you to the Caribbean!
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My brain hurts!!!
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Good work guys - loads to take in. I think I may go for the direct route rather than the regionals though. But ahhhh no - international team poker - I hate it. Its an individual game!! Small price to pay though for all the other pros. Well done APAT team - ps Id love to volunteer for a job!! Reporter maybe.....let me know how to apply. See you in Luton.
No two team members will play together in the International team event. Each country will be made up of four "individuals" (probably all trying to let air out of Ironside"s tyres before the buffet).
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My brain hurts!!!
Oh, I"m way past that stage Brendan....everything hurts, particularly at the thought of having to explain everything to Mark......
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I certainly wouldn"t be up for paying a fiver to watch over"t"net, I"d hope to be at the venue itself - railing, obviously, as my chances of making a final table are probably somewhere between slim and no chance !
Be good to be able to record, and watch at a later date the final table action, though.
You might be at the final table....railing your good lady of course!
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thanks APAT - see you in Luton
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50% of the seats by direct buy in - I"d hope for more like 90% but that doesn"t seem to be likely.
It"s pretty much what I was expecting (Blue Square sponsorship, regional qualifiers etc) though, plus a bit extra.
So despite their being some cost associated problems (not on the same scale as Ironsides at least) it"s a good improvement for season 2 - but still room for even more improvement in season 3. :)
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50% of the seats by direct buy in - I"d hope for more like 90% but that doesn"t seem to be likely.
It"s pretty much what I was expecting (Blue Square sponsorship, regional qualifiers etc) though, plus a bit extra.
So despite their being some cost associated problems (not on the same scale as Ironsides at least) it"s a good improvement for season 2 - but still room for even more improvement in season 3. :)
Banned. Or, could we offer you a job? ;D
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Wow ,,, did you hear that then.... That was the sound of the penny dropping......
Looking forward to it all....
A couple of questions regarding the cost of the different levels of membership and the positions available but I will leave that till the dust has settled.
I like the thought of the differing events. The inter forum challenge.....The international challenge, and the pro-am.....
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well
i am still trying to work it out
but i have to say first i will need to quaify to be at the international event
then they still couldnt let my tires down as there is no air in them
and i never eat buffets anyway so whats the point
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I certainly wouldn"t be up for paying a fiver to watch over"t"net, I"d hope to be at the venue itself - railing, obviously, as my chances of making a final table are probably somewhere between slim and no chance !
Be good to be able to record, and watch at a later date the final table action, though.
You might be at the final table....railing your good lady of course!
She certainly has a better chance than me, especially if you continue to offload chips to her ! ;D
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Wow ,,, did you hear that then.... That was the sound of the penny dropping......
Looking forward to it all....
A couple of questions regarding the cost of the different levels of membership and the positions available but I will leave that till the dust has settled.
I like the thought of the differing events. The inter forum challenge.....The international challenge, and the pro-am.....
Ditto
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I certainly wouldn"t be up for paying a fiver to watch over"t"net, I"d hope to be at the venue itself - railing, obviously, as my chances of making a final table are probably somewhere between slim and no chance !
Be good to be able to record, and watch at a later date the final table action, though.
You might be at the final table....railing your good lady of course!
She certainly has a better chance than me, especially if you continue to offload chips to her ! ;D
AT v A8...pah!
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Wow ,,, did you hear that then.... That was the sound of the penny dropping......
Looking forward to it all....
A couple of questions regarding the cost of the different levels of membership and the positions available but I will leave that till the dust has settled.
I like the thought of the differing events. The inter forum challenge.....The international challenge, and the pro-am.....
Ditto
Des, I know its early stages but will the APAT forum have a team in this, if so my colours are well and truly nailed to that post. Bring on the blondes..... You know what they say about blondes (only joking).....
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Des.....i so havent got a clue......im slowly sobering up but still nadda!....If i do end in up in the caribbean i suggest a pr girlie for me!!!
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Wow ,,, did you hear that then.... That was the sound of the penny dropping......
Looking forward to it all....
A couple of questions regarding the cost of the different levels of membership and the positions available but I will leave that till the dust has settled.
I like the thought of the differing events. The inter forum challenge.....The international challenge, and the pro-am.....
Ditto
Des, I know its early stages but will the APAT forum have a team in this, if so my colours are well and truly nailed to that post. Bring on the blondes..... You know what they say about blondes (only joking).....
To be determined Jimmy, but we are going to try to do something unique with the Forum Challenge, and that is promote every UK forum to APAT members, who wish to take part in the event.
So lets see how it develops. But if there is an APAT forum involvement, I baggsy the back seat of the bus.....
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Des.....i so havent got a clue......im slowly sobering up but still nadda!....If i do end in up in the caribbean i suggest a pr girlie for me!!!
Max Clifford might be more appropriate.....
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Wow ,,, did you hear that then.... That was the sound of the penny dropping......
Looking forward to it all....
A couple of questions regarding the cost of the different levels of membership and the positions available but I will leave that till the dust has settled.
I like the thought of the differing events. The inter forum challenge.....The international challenge, and the pro-am.....
Ditto
Des, I know its early stages but will the APAT forum have a team in this, if so my colours are well and truly nailed to that post. Bring on the blondes..... You know what they say about blondes (only joking).....
To be determined Jimmy, but we are going to try to do something unique with the Forum Challenge, and that is promote every UK forum to APAT members, who wish to take part in the event.
So lets see how it develops. But if there is an APAT forum involvement, I baggsy the back seat of the bus.....
Apparently the person who has the back seat has to buy the drinks all day!!
We could get a team up Des. Looking forward to it already....
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Well done.. Not played in season 1, but hopefully will get some in for season 2, shame Blackpool is not on the map for the north, Manchester not to far though so will do..
really looking forward to it, looks like the old bsq account will need reviving again..
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Great news all round with an exciting season 2 in prospect! A lot of work has obviously gone in to get this package up and running, so a special thanks to all behind the scenes at APAT-well done!
I have been studying the releases and have some comments and questions with the view that some fine details have yet to be finalised.
Okay as i see it each of the 11 casinos will run 5 regional qualifiers to the national championships on the same Saturday for each. This will prevent Southern players who have 4 casinos to choose from trying to qualify in 20 regional events if they were all on different days and giving them the chance to earn more ranking points? Ultimately you will have only 5 regional opportunities wherever you live, but you can enter different casinos in your own region for each of the qualifiers to give you regional points in that area. So, to be a serious contender for regional points champion you need to enter all 5 qualifiers in your own region.
Question 1)-have the points been decided on for the 9 regional points scorers?
Question 2)-have the points been decided on for the National Championships and will the entry fee still be £75?
Question 3)-with twice the online events at half the price, will the points available be the same as season one?
Question 4)-The European Amateur Poker Championship is highlighted seperately, how do we qualify or has this yet to be decided?
I believe that the 6 GUKPT packages are for the 5 National Champions and the APAT Forum Challenge Winner.
I can only find 2 of the 3 Grand Final Packages, the European Amateur Poker Champion and the APAT ranking points winner...?
Also, i can only find 2 WSOP main event packages, the APAT Masters Champion and the WCOAP Main Event Winner...?
Unless of course you are saving one of these for the most boring APAT post for which i am sure to win!?
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Great news all round with an exciting season 2 in prospect! A lot of work has obviously gone in to get this package up and running, so a special thanks to all behind the scenes at APAT-well done!
I have been studying the releases and have some comments and questions with the view that some fine details have yet to be finalised.
Okay as i see it each of the 11 casinos will run 5 regional qualifiers to the national championships on the same Saturday for each. This will prevent Southern players who have 4 casinos to choose from trying to qualify in 20 regional events if they were all on different days and giving them the chance to earn more ranking points? Ultimately you will have only 5 regional opportunities wherever you live, but you can enter different casinos in your own region for each of the qualifiers to give you regional points in that area. So, to be a serious contender for regional points champion you need to enter all 5 qualifiers in your own region.
Question 1)-have the points been decided on for the 9 regional points scorers?
Question 2)-have the points been decided on for the National Championships and will the entry fee still be £75?
Question 3)-with twice the online events at half the price, will the points available be the same as season one?
Question 4)-The European Amateur Poker Championship is highlighted seperately, how do we qualify or has this yet to be decided?
I believe that the 6 GUKPT packages are for the 5 National Champions and the APAT Forum Challenge Winner.
I can only find 2 of the 3 Grand Final Packages, the European Amateur Poker Champion and the APAT ranking points winner...?
Also, i can only find 2 WSOP main event packages, the APAT Masters Champion and the WCOAP Main Event Winner...?
Unless of course you are saving one of these for the most boring APAT post for which i am sure to win!?
Thanks Kevin. Okay, from the top as best I can:-
Question 1)-have the points been decided on for the 9 regional points scorers?
Same as online series - 9 to the winner down to 1 to 9th.
Question 2)-have the points been decided on for the National Championships and will the entry fee still be £75?
Yes, entry remains at £75 and the points will remain as 18 to the winner down to 1 for 18th.
Question 3)-with twice the online events at half the price, will the points available be the same as season one?
Yes, 9 points for the winner down to 1 point for 9th.
There is one additional point to consider. There may be a lot of additional tournaments in Season Two, however players can only put a maximum of 20 scoring tournaments towards their total, and a maximum of 5 of those can be live.
Question 4)-The European Amateur Poker Championship is highlighted seperately, how do we qualify or has this yet to be decided?
As we stand at the moment it would be via online satellite and direct buy in, as per the 2007 European Championship announced tonight.
I believe that the 6 GUKPT packages are for the 5 National Champions and the APAT Forum Challenge Winner.
Correct
I can only find 2 of the 3 Grand Final Packages, the European Amateur Poker Champion and the APAT ranking points winner...?
The third GUKPT Grand Final package is going to the winner of the European event at the end of this month, which falls within the sponsorship term.
Also, i can only find 2 WSOP main event packages, the APAT Masters Champion and the WCOAP Main Event Winner...?
The third main event seat will go to the winner of the 2007 World Amteur Championship which will be played out in September.
Unless of course you are saving one of these for the most boring APAT post for which i am sure to win!?
Great post. If you have some time, could you brief Mark Donnnelly on "what it all means" ;D
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so you can score points at all 5 regional events towards the overall prize?
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so you can score points at all 5 regional events towards the overall prize?
Yes, towards the National rankings prize.
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i think i am getting it
i would just like to point out how unfair the regional are
lands end to gretna (basically as far as you can go in england) takes according to the rac route planner 8 hrs 57 minutes
from john o groats to gretna covering the whole of scotland the same route planner say it will take 8 hrs 51 min
when you consider that england is also covered by a wonderful assortments of cheap airlines an rail system with 10 regional events (warrented due to them having 10 times as many people granted) so people wont have far to travel and costs wont be excessive
but in scotland alot of people will have to pay hotel costs aswell as petrol for upto a 14 hour return journey (depending where the scotish event is and where they come from) to play a £20 freezeout
now i am still trying to work out the prize structure of these £20 freezeouts is there cash or do they just pay out in seats for the nationals?
if there is no cash you are going to be paying in the region of £50 in petrol and another £70 in hotel costs to play in an event with a top prize of £75
if the £1600 is paid out in prizes then i would imagine that even with a top heavy strucure you would need to finish in every top 3 to cover the costs for each event
if you dont play in the regionals you are giving everyone else a head start in getting ranking points
i think you have done a wonderfull job in getting bluesq and grosvenor involed in the tour i just don"t like the fact so much emphasis is put on the regionals
i havent even touched on the fact scotland has a much better and tougher quailty of players than areas like the south east/west of england ;D
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Thought i had it all worked out.Alas now i"m in the dougal crew.
Living in scotland in the middle of nowhere i have the same problems as ironside(to a certain extent) with the regional tournaments.
My other worry is that i have had trouble depositing on blue sq in the past which will take a little bit of sorting out.
Off for a lie down .
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Excellent effort Guys! Congratulations to all of you who have planned and worked on this. I think you have found a really good plan which develops on last year, is fair and also takes into account players needs ( barring those in the wilds of Jock land).
Q.Reginal qualifiers. Entry is £20 and prize seats go to top 10% . I presume that as seats are £75 for nationals , there will be an additional prizepool and the seat costs taken out of this prizepool.
So an 80 entrant qualifier will take in £1600 and pay out 8x£75 seats and have a prizepool on the night of £1000 Is that correct?
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Well done Des and everyone at APAT. Obviously, a lot of hard work has gone on behind the scenes. Instead of the click-fest on Wednesday, you should have set an exam on these briefing notes to determine who gets the seats for Luton. Not that I would have qualified.
Couple of questions. When I have set up my Blue Square account, I thought that I saw that US players are not allowed. Is that the case? I don"t know how many US members APAT has but I do recall that one won an on-line event.
The second question is about dates for the live events. How far in advance will APAT be able to post event dates? I am appreciate that I am luckier than most APAT members with the Grosvenor Vic being a couple of miles away but the more notice I can give the wife about when these will take place the better.
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now i am still trying to work out the prize structure of these £20 freezeouts is there cash or do they just pay out in seats for the nationals?
Seats and cash...so the top 10% will get a guaranteed paid seat at a National event, but that will leave up to £1,000 to play for in the Reginal event, and the ranking points and medals.
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Excellent effort Guys! Congratulations to all of you who have planned and worked on this. I think you have found a really good plan which develops on last year, is fair and also takes into account players needs ( barring those in the wilds of Jock land).
Q.Reginal qualifiers. Entry is £20 and prize seats go to top 10% . I presume that as seats are £75 for nationals , there will be an additional prizepool and the seat costs taken out of this prizepool.
So an 80 entrant qualifier will take in £1600 and pay out 8x£75 seats and have a prizepool on the night of £1000 Is that correct?
Bingo....
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Couple of questions. When I have set up my Blue Square account, I thought that I saw that US players are not allowed. Is that the case? I don"t know how many US members APAT has but I do recall that one won an on-line event.
The market has changed dramatically since APAT signed its Season One obligation to PokerStars, and we need to look at this area very carefully, as every UK based company has done. We have a number of US members and some are very active and have brought a great deal to APAT. We will not take any decision in this area lightly, but it is being reviewed.
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The second question is about dates for the live events. How far in advance will APAT be able to post event dates? I am appreciate that I am luckier than most APAT members with the Grosvenor Vic being a couple of miles away but the more notice I can give the wife about when these will take place the better.
Due to the volume of events in Season Two, their will be a three and a half week period between the completion of Regional qualifying, online satellites and direct buy in, and the National event. Tighter than we would ideally like, but necessary give the scale of the Tour.
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Might have missed it (and I"m sure Mark will have ;D), but what will the structure be for the regional events?
80 runners, so are we talking 5,000 stacks, 30 minute blinds (with a 150/300 level ;)) - or something similar?
Also, how will places in these events be determined? Places bought at the casino, online, via APAT? Apologies if you"ve answered these elsewhere.
Might be an idea to have a question and answer session in Luton at the next event Des. Maybe in the bar area...that way those that are there can be well informed of what"s going on and help answer any questions on the forum. Just an idea.
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Hi,
Just got back from holiday, and of course logged here before unpacking....it seems my unpacking will have to wait why i digest all this in....
What alot of hard work all at APAT have done....TOP STUFF GUYS...
The whole tour is simply perfect ( well judging by some comments..almost perfect), this kind of operation takes in the poker ethos for all comers to play and at reasonable buy-in"s open to most modest bankrolls.
Can"t wait - I live in Peterborough, and travelled by car to Newcastle and Edinburgh in Season 1, so personally delighted a bit more " local" live events, that little bit nearer.
Oh, and I read Harrington on Hold-em on holiday.....so all be warned...LOL
Yours Waz1892
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As per the APAT statement; "Regional Championship events will be one day, dealer dealt, run to APAT standardised rules and offer players 2,500 starting chips and 30 minute levels." Also "These events will be open to a maximum of 80 players and 10% of each field will gain an entry package to a National Championship event"
Des also stated that a 200 runner National Championship would have the following possible breakdown;
11 x 8 = 88 (Regional qualifiers)
20 (Online qualifiers)
92 (Direct buy in)
this is only a possibility, but i think gives everyone a fair crack at qualifying. I do empathise with Ironside with only one possible regional casino for such a large area? I am sure APAT are aware of these challenges and have a plan to introduce additional venues which maybe already under discussion/negotiation?
But best to get the operation up and running and fine tune on the move!?
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Great work Des, Tony and Richard..!!
I only found out about season 1 mid season where I realised it would be a hard job to compete with the people who played from game 1. I have been looking forward to season 2.. My local Grosvenor will be Manchester so will like to try go there and qualify..
I would however like to maybe pass a comment.. I have been to a few casinos for mid week games, and a couple of times done quite well... The problem has been they all start games at approx 9pm and if you make the final table, you can expect to get home maybe between 4:00am and 5:00am... For the people who have to go to work, that is hard work to get up with 3 hrs sleep... So, I have told myself I will not do these mid-week all-nighters any more..!!!
Can you tell us has this aspect of the quals been spoken about??
Cheers
Carl..
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As per the APAT statement; "Regional Championship events will be one day, dealer dealt, run to APAT standardised rules and offer players 2,500 starting chips and 30 minute levels." Also "These events will be open to a maximum of 80 players and 10% of each field will gain an entry package to a National Championship event"
Cheers, I"d missed that.
Doesn"t state how these seats will be allocated though, or did I miss that as well?
For example, I"m in the "Eastern" region, there is Walsall and Nottingham (assuming DTD gets the go-ahead). So that"s 160 places for everyone in that catchment area. It might be that places are easy to come by. But I expect that there will be quite a high demand and that they"ll sell out easily.
Just wondered how the entry for these will work.
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Wow, so much to take in. This is a significant advancement for APAT and a big thank you to Des, Tony, Richard et al for all there hard work in delivering what should be a fantastic season 2.
There was so much information to digest at once and there was always going to be questions raised and I am sure this will all be answered in due course.
A word of thanks for Pokerstars for their support throughout season 1 and welcome to blue sq in season 2. The GUKPT has been so successful and I am sure the partnership with APAT will be very beneficial for both parties.
Looking forward to a great end to season 1 and cannot wait for season 2 to start.
Onwards and upwards!!!
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Kinboshi,
I was thinking that APAT will become a whole lot more popular because of this... I have seen it on the tour of season 1.... Locals from the casino where the game is, they see a game happening, and they want to play.. So I think that each of the 11 casinos will have local regulars who know nothing about APAT right now, will find out there are regular APAT games on their regular nights, and they will want to get involved, especially with the prizes for the winners..!!
Cheers
Carl..
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Des, to follow on from
KinFishboshi"s post earlier, do you have a projected amount of entrants to the regionals. There may be 120 members living in nottingham ,so they may not be able to get in to either casino in the catchment area, or are we expecting that the places allocated will be enough for demand...
I may move to bonnie Scotland. Its got to be the easiest place to qualify from.
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Hia Des and the team,
Well worth waiting for. Your work appears to have produced spectacular results. A natural progression for the best amatuer players in the UK is to take the step up to play against UK pro"s, something provided for by GUKPT. What an amazing package.
My only concern, as I hinted at the other day...
What about foreign nationals and exiles living abroad (ie. me shortly!!!). Will there be seats set aside for international competitors or do we have to pay for getting over to regionals over here?
Thats my only concern, apart from that it all sounds amazing.
As u may have worked out...I intend to come over from Germany for EVERY event next season. Thats how good the package u have put together is!!!! ;-)
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Des, to follow on from KinFishboshi"s post earlier, do you have a projected amount of entrants to the regionals. There may be 120 members living in nottingham ,so they may not be able to get in to either casino in the catchment area, or are we expecting that the places allocated will be enough for demand...
I may move to bonnie Scotland. Its got to be the easiest place to qualify from.
dream on. ;D
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this is only a possibility, but i think gives everyone a fair crack at qualifying. I do empathise with Ironside with only one possible regional casino for such a large area? I am sure APAT are aware of these challenges and have a plan to introduce additional venues which maybe already under discussion/negotiation?
But best to get the operation up and running and fine tune on the move!?
dont get me wrong i am that sick i would proberly play the scottish regional even if it was held on jersey
but it will be off putting for alot of people
just think you can get 45 points through regional quailfiers and how much easier it is to score points in an 80 man live event than it is to score them in a 200+ internet comp (espically for dougal7878 and myself who cant play online poker to save our lives)
and the fact that scotland is brimming with poker talent wheras the midlands and the north of england is brimming with bream also puts the scotts at a disavantage
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The second question is about dates for the live events. How far in advance will APAT be able to post event dates? I am appreciate that I am luckier than most APAT members with the Grosvenor Vic being a couple of miles away but the more notice I can give the wife about when these will take place the better.
Due to the volume of events in Season Two, their will be a three and a half week period between the completion of Regional qualifying, online satellites and direct buy in, and the National event. Tighter than we would ideally like, but necessary give the scale of the Tour.
3.5 weeks is a travesty for amateur players who need to get time off work to travel and also the expenses for getting flights trains and hotels
i know its too late for season 2 but for season 3 can you give us atleast 7 weeks notice
this is one of my biggest bug bears with the poker scene at present lack of notice yet the organisation meant to be representing me is actively supporting this
less notice means more expense and for amateurs its a pain in the backside
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The regional events will possibly have a large unpredictable variance on qualifying numbers due to different local conditions ie;
the Scottish casino with it"s large catchment area may not fill up?
the Eastern area has only one-Walsall, depending on the DTD license hearing. This puts pressure on this casino for the regional qualifiers as i believe it has a high number of local players who might join APAT to participate? I could obviously choose Manchester as an alternative, but again this will be a popular venue?
Perhaps APAT could look at an online poll, where members indicate there 1st-2nd-3rd preference, which may highlight future over subscribing? Or perhaps the best stance is to suck it and see how things go on the first qualifier and adapt as required?
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I"m amazed, the amount of information to take in is astounding,
even my ducks stopped quacking.
Des, top stuff in organizing all this, i"m sure when its all up and running then ppl will
all begin to get used to all the different structures and events.
APAT is my 1st foray into live events and if season 2 gives me and my duck more
chances of playing live in well organized, well structured fun events then its all good as far as i can see.
All the duck wants is a gold medal lol, more vents = more chances lol
Well done and thanks to you all
See you all in Luton hopefully
Quack Quack for now
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All the duck wants is a gold medal lol, more vents = more chances lol
That should be events not vents
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All the duck wants is a gold medal lol, more vents = more chances lol
That should be events not vents
Phil i worry about you and that duck.It seems to have some kind of hold over you. ;D
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loads of great things in store for season 2
my only snag is i really enjoy playing the apat deepstack games and with an 3 hour drive to any venues in our region plus all the rest of the cost of getting there etc just to play with 2500 chip starts, what would the blinds start at? 5-10? 25-50?
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Might have missed it (and I"m sure Mark will have ;D), but what will the structure be for the regional events?
80 runners, so are we talking 5,000 stacks, 30 minute blinds (with a 150/300 level ;)) - or something similar?
Also, how will places in these events be determined? Places bought at the casino, online, via APAT? Apologies if you"ve answered these elsewhere.
Might be an idea to have a question and answer session in Luton at the next event Des. Maybe in the bar area...that way those that are there can be well informed of what"s going on and help answer any questions on the forum. Just an idea.
Seat allocation at Regionals still tbc, although I have to say it will almost certainly via each Regional Casino, or book ahead via your local Casino. We will advise definitively in the near future as we have a little time on this.
Structure....assum standard APAT with shorter chipstack and slightly shorter clock.
Q & A in the bar...sounds like a set up to me ;D
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Q & A in the bar...sounds like a set up to me ;D
put that through my univeral translator it came up with drinks on des
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Also, how will places in these events be determined? Places bought at the casino, online, via APAT? Apologies if you"ve answered these elsewhere.
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...or book ahead via your local Casino. We will advise definitively in the near future as we have a little time on this...
Would this have to be done in person? Because like some others my "local" casino isn"t very local to me so having to travel to get a seat and then having to get another train to play - multiplied by 5, could get expensive.
Also, as alluded to elsewhere is there any idea of the scheduling for the regional events? As an example the last train I can get leaving London to get home departs at 11pm - would there be any chance of a tournament finishing by this time - or am I likely to need to book a hotel for each of the regionals?
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Des,
When will the posts become available, and how soon do you want them filled? Will there be a vote by the members or will the hierachy decide?
Will the regional managers be able to play in the regional events?
Jim
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Hello i cant find qulification tournament on blue square lobby any help please.....
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Tightend has posted in another thread that it will be up.
Patience my friend, it will definately be there before Monday evening...
Jim
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thank you i wiil be waiting
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Q & A in the bar...sounds like a set up to me ;D
put that through my univeral translator it came up with drinks on des
Sounds like it"s broken.
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Des,
When will the posts become available Des, and how soon do you want them filled? Will there be a vote by the members or will the hierachy decide?
Will the regional managers be able to play in the regional events?
Jim
We will put some specifics up around the roles in the next two weeks Jimmy. These will be business appointments as opposed to member. However, we will be asking the members to make some appointments prior to Season Two starting, to represent the members in policy making.
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what is wrong with grosvenor huddersfield? 100 seat card room,brand spanking new tables. sign em up please ,then i can make at least 1 game :as:
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Can I ask is there likely to be a full years Diary published for season 2.
Will you have dates set in stone or will it be produced as the year progresses. I know it requires a lot of negotiating and organising, but I"m sure all members would very much welcome this as early as possible.
The more I look at the plans the more I think you have done a really good job of accomodating all the different issues.
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what do ya mean its just ireland!!!! its hard enough for us no been able to travel to the regional events as it is so makes no difference for me...just its a pity about leaving pokerstars...well lets look forward than back
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Sounds great. Though a Sheffield/Leeds venue would be good for any northern players like me. I just hope everyone who wants to play gets the chance.
PS. I only skimmed it so sorry if I missed this, but does anyone have any rough idea of dates?
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Well guys, as of now I will not be able to participate next year due to the exclusion of US members on BlueSquare. It"s really disappointing because I love the format and structure of these tournies. Unfortunately, I will be prohibited unless my government comes to their senses. So, it has been a pleasure playing with you all.
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Well guys, as of now I will not be able to participate next year due to the exclusion of US members on BlueSquare. It"s really disappointing because I love the format and structure of these tournies. Unfortunately, I will be prohibited unless my government comes to their senses. So, it has been a pleasure playing with you all.
makes a bit of a mockery of the world championship events but nice playing with you and hope something happens soon with the USA
you never know you might get to come and play in one of the national events
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Pleasure is all ours Nathan, hope to meet you across the felt sometime soon-until then good luck!
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Thats a crying shame Nathan its been a pleasure playing against you this season.
Hope Mr Bush comes to his senses, but I dont think there"s much chance of that.
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Well guys, as of now I will not be able to participate next year due to the exclusion of US members on BlueSquare. It"s really disappointing because I love the format and structure of these tournies. Unfortunately, I will be prohibited unless my government comes to their senses. So, it has been a pleasure playing with you all.
the us ban will be relaxed,all u have to do is vote out bush in the next election.
simple,
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Well guys, as of now I will not be able to participate next year due to the exclusion of US members on BlueSquare. It"s really disappointing because I love the format and structure of these tournies. Unfortunately, I will be prohibited unless my government comes to their senses. So, it has been a pleasure playing with you all.
the us ban will be relaxed,all u have to do is vote out bush in the next election.
simple,
Bush wont be in the next election, he is in his second term. God knows about the contenders, but its an Ass of a Law.
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Well guys, as of now I will not be able to participate next year due to the exclusion of US members on BlueSquare. It"s really disappointing because I love the format and structure of these tournies. Unfortunately, I will be prohibited unless my government comes to their senses. So, it has been a pleasure playing with you all.
the us ban will be relaxed,all u have to do is vote out bush in the next election.
simple,
I don"t think any of the candidates particularly care enough either way to do anything about it. So it will be more down to whether the Senate will do anything about it .
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I"m sure it"s in there somewhere, but I"ve missed it, when does season two start?
I"m determined to make more of an effort with the live events next season and am keen to start planning my outings ;D
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Should be underway by October I hear.
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Hi guys / gals
keep hearing October, but no dates have been announced yet have they ?
and when does the online recomence on bluesquare? is that october too?
definately gonna play more this year joined late in season 1 but the online season was very enjoyable and friendly. ;D
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Details will be announced soon, we are just trying to coordinate venues and dates for entire season. Similarly with online.
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HI ARE THERE ANY DATES YET FOR SEASON TWO AND THE REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. THANKS
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Hi everybody,
I"m new to this and have only been looking at this the past couple of days but it sounds great! But i don"t know if fully understand it as there is lot going on...
1 - you go to one of the Grosvenor casinos stated and enter into one of the tourneys for £20 and if you come in the top 10% you qualify? But what do you qualify in to?
Sorry if this sounds a bit dumb as it may have been explained 1000"s of times but im really interested in taking part in a few of these tournaments and getting a bit of experience in poker.
Thanks,
Ash
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Welcome to APAT Ash. The top 10% of players at the first round of Regional Championship events, which will be held on October 6th, will win a paid entry to the English Amateur Poker Championship - the first National Championship event of Season Two.
APAT hope to publish the schedule for Season Two later this week.
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Thanks for that i understand now
I"ll look forward to entering a few of these Regional Tournaments even though there a bit away as i live in Manchester, but i don"t mind travelling.
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You won"t have far to travel to the Manchester one...
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Hey everyone.
Ive posted this in another thread as I didnt see this one, but it should be here.
Great work by the way! I play alot online and want to play more live games and this looks like the ideal chance.
I was just looking at the Northern Championship regional legs and the Manchester one is 6th October and it says on sale direct from Casino on day of play.
But at the bottom it says
"2) Regional Championship events will hold a maximum of 80 players and start at 2.30pm."
So is this on a first come first serve basis then?
What if there is more than 80?
I live about 1 hour 30 min away from Manchester and i dont want to be driving all the way there just to be told the 80 places are filled.
Also about this £10 payment to be allowed to play in the live games, how, when and who do you make this payment? Is it via online or do you pay it on your first regional game?
Lastly, how many direct buy-ins are allocated for the Nationals as if its £20 to enter a regional, £75 isn"t that much more just to directly buy in and again will this be on a first come first serve basis?
Thanks
Rob
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Hi APAT,
not that I"m a man of little faith you understand!....but are you sure The Vic is going to provide 8 dealers for a £20 comp on a saturday afternoon, given that they don"t normally for less than £100....and they seem to be a law to themselves in the poker world !!
....otherwise looking forward to great season, and thanks for all the hard work , and twisting the Blue Square arm a lot !!
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Bump.
Des I think you missed my question :)
Rob
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Hey everyone.
Ive posted this in another thread as I didnt see this one, but it should be here.
Great work by the way! I play alot online and want to play more live games and this looks like the ideal chance.
I was just looking at the Northern Championship regional legs and the Manchester one is 6th October and it says on sale direct from Casino on day of play.
But at the bottom it says
"2) Regional Championship events will hold a maximum of 80 players and start at 2.30pm."
So is this on a first come first serve basis then?
What if there is more than 80?
I live about 1 hour 30 min away from Manchester and i dont want to be driving all the way there just to be told the 80 places are filled.
Also about this £10 payment to be allowed to play in the live games, how, when and who do you make this payment? Is it via online or do you pay it on your first regional game?
Lastly, how many direct buy-ins are allocated for the Nationals as if its £20 to enter a regional, £75 isn"t that much more just to directly buy in and again will this be on a first come first serve basis?
Thanks
Rob
Hi Rob, will do my best to answer these for you.
1) The Regional events are being sold on a first come, first served basis. As I have said on another thread, we know this is not ideal but APAT cannot manage advance entries to 14 events being held on one day. We will review what happens during the first leg of the Regionals and continue to work with the Casinos to offer the most player focussed entry method possible. We will add more detail to the Regional event announcement next week with casino opening times, addresses etc. While I would guess that high traffic areas like London, Luton and Manchester will probably sell out, I would be genuinely surprised if the other casinos do. This is leg one, we have not marketed it heavily outside of APAT as we would be much happier with smaller fields experiencing a smooth well ran day than 14 sold out events creating lots of issues.
2) The membership fee is currently free. Therefore you do not have to pay £10 - you are a full member and entitled to play in APAT events.
3) Seat allocation methods for National events are listed via this link. The number of seats available via APAT direct will be determined by how many players play in the Regional events and Online sats, as 10% of those fields will get seats into the Nationals.
http://www.apat.com/schedule_S2_National.php
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Thanks alot for that.
Can you reserve a seat by ringing the casino or by first come first serve you actually mean there at the casino on the day?
If thats the case I might wait and see what happens with leg 1 because as Ive said its a fair drive and I havent got a clue what time to get there and I dont want to be disappointed.
Rob